Brewing a miracle.

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If you want to throw out ideas for me to shoot down then know I will most happily obliged you, but at the same time do not complain about all the corrections provided.

The reason I'm here is so that I can be shown I'm wrong. It might not seem like it because we're not talking face to face, but I see discussions such as this one as being very invaluable. I sincerely thank you for that.

Then perhaps you should look to your understanding of the word "Heal."

The original word is: therapeuō
It's primary meaning is:

1) to serve, do service

2) to heal, cure, restore to health
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...2323&t=KJV

With these definitions any care giver who brings a person back to health is a healer. One does not need the flash and magic you are looking for to have and use this gift.

Ok, now we're getting places. This actually fits in very well with what my last impressions of Christianity was meant to be like, and that is down to earth with zero supernatural content.

How do you see what Jesus did when he fed the 4000 and/or 5000? I've heard interpretations such as 'he was so nice to everyone that the ones who had food decided to take it out and share it amongst everyone'. I'm just paraphrasing, but something along those lines.

This is true, but not for the reasons you think this is true. You have let Hollywood and pop culture dictate to you what the "biblical world" looked like, rather than seeking it out for yourself. You seem all to complacent in using the popular understanding of biblical precepts and principles to set the standard in which you judge God. Rather than earnestly seeking Him out for yourself. In other words you blindly accept the second world that was designed to cast doubt and disprove God as the real one. rather than seek God out for yourself.

Hmm no I think you've gone with the clichè Christian response here. For starters you don't know me, and secondly my view of the Christian world was influenced by friends who consider themselves non-denominational. They just do as the Bible says. So I can safely say my mind wasn't polluted with far out ideas of what the Bible meant.

The second part of your paragraph, well, I honestly never know what that means anymore. Do I shut my eyes real tight and whisper 'god is real, god is real, god is real'? I don't mean this in a mocking way, but I don't actually know what a 'god encounter' would/should feel like. My 'encounters' were purely intellectual where it was just me reflecting on some Bible.

Only God is infallible. We being finite creatures can not ever hope to completely understand an infinate God. All that we are responsible for is what He has left us in the bible. Whether that message be 100% complete, or flawed in some way is His responsibility to either maintain, Change or forgive us for following the only Book He has left us.

Ok, agreed that we don't have the capacity to get the full picture. I don't agree with the notion that he takes care of the Bible, because we know what bits have been added on. Oddly enough, this is your first tangible point about God and to me it seems like no divine being made sure it stayed intact. This again is the two parallel worlds where something Biblical is said but in reality I observe something very different.

So what if it was added on, and so what if Jesus did or did not say these things. It changes nothing for the one who asks, seeks and knocks to worship the God of the Bible. For the God of the Bible is responsible for Maintaining, Changing or forgiving us for following the Only Book He has left for us. Our only charge is to be faithful to what has been given to us. We have been given the Bible and can trace it back to the Greek Texts. So in turn we are responsible for what was given. Nothing more.

Mark 16 originally ends with an empty tomb, no Jesus and a young man asserting that Jesus has resurrected. The juicy witness accounts are what got added on.

No resurrected Jesus, no Christian God.