Transubstantiation 'miracle' shenanigans

[Longhorn]

The alleged miracle of Lanciano has been bothering me ever since someone used it as 'proof' in an argument

Long story short, some Basilian monk/priest was having doubts about transubstsntiation, and during a service the wine and bread turned into blood and flesh for realsies, gais!!

So the story is obviously bogus and I'd rather not delve too deep into who the flesh being displayed today belonged to or what happened to them (and neither does the Vatican, ofc), but it begs the question...

If the catholics deeply believe that transubstantiation takes place every single service in the literal sense, why is this dubious tourist attraction called a 'miracle'?

Also: what the fuck? Somehow I can't connect the hippie charismatic boy posse leader with ritualistic cannibalism

The jest of the whole shebang is, the fucking WHO allegedly tested this 'miracle' and the report, which is mysteriously MIA basically stated something along the lines of 'science doesn't know, therefore magic fairy dust'*

Oh, catholics... what lengths wouldn't you go to? I swear, sometimes it's like they're mainly trying to convince themselves

*yours truly's liberal interpretation

[Alex K]

I don't think they are trying to convince themselves. I think the higher-ups are all cynical, see themselves as enlightened and merely think the sheeple needs these silly things.

[Longhorn]

You're probably right. And they even thought to include what they think is compelling evidence by hiring two biased scientists who reached bullshit conclusions in 1970, just so they can say it's been tested. And, to your regular godly church goer, it must be very convincing.

But if this is what an omnipotent god does to showcase his godness and omnipotence, I am not fucking impressed

[robvalue]

It's so weird that something so weird can be seen as normal by so many.

If I look up to someone and respect them, I don't also feel the need to pretend I'm eating bits of them.

[vorlon13]

Parish coffers swell when there is a new show and tell item.

Follow the money people, it ain't any more complicated than that.

[Alex K]

I never bought that e.g. Joe Ratzinger ever took any of those dozens Mary apparitions and their various meanings seriously. I mean, come on. He must have thought it was some kind of theatre to keep the uneducated masses in the faith.

[Minimalist]

Ratzinger, a/k/a Herr Von Popenfuhrer's favorite song was,





"Eye of the Tiger."

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Actual, turning the bread and wine into realio-trulio flesh and blood is not  transubstantiation.  According to Catholic dogma, it isn't the physicality of the products, but the substance of them, the underlying reality, that is the miracle.  In fact, the church has gone so far as to claim that after the transformation into the body and blood of Christ, the bread and wine are, to all sense and to any scientific test imaginable, unchanged in physical form.

So, the way to prove transubstantiation would be to get some bread and wine, pray over it, and lo! watch it magically transform into...bread and wine.

Boru

[Longhorn]

Oh, I see... it really does turn into flesh and blood, it just does it in such a way that it cannot be proven in any way to be true! It makes perfect sense!

[robvalue]

Ah, OK! How could I have missed that obvious explanation