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Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance
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RE: Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance
(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(May 15, 2012 at 3:30 pm)Hovik Wrote: Sure, only 3.5% of people in the United States identify as LGBT, but consider that that's nearly twelve million people; that's not insignificant by even a little bit.

348,857,130 people are not gay and 34 million are unemployed those my friend are more significant than 12 million.

Again, because it makes so much fucking sense to ignore an entire demographic because of some other, entirely unrelated demographic.

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Hovik Wrote:At any rate, I don't see what your point is. What you're essentially saying is that it's okay to shaft a minority out of their rights just because you're in the majority and they're not? That's sick, and you should feel bad.
I did not say gays should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to marry, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for marriage and the few things that would go along with that.

Except here's the basic issue: marriage is a social right that predates Christianity by quite a lot. You don't have a monopoly on marriage, and your religion has no right to say who can and cannot marry. It's as simple as that. Let's look at what you just said from another perspective, shall we?
"I did not say women should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to vote, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for voting and the few things that would go along with that."
See how changing just a few words points out the utter ridiculousness of your argument? Voting and marriage have in common that they're both social rights that are independent of your religion; they both also predate Christianity by a huge margin.

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Hovik Wrote:Your argument doesn't even make sense: "Financial problems are more pertinent to the majority, therefore gays can't marry." What the fuck? Are you dense?

Why would my concern for the unemployed make me dense, there are many who need to provide for their families, our government needs to concentrate on real problems that effect the many, this would include the gays that are unemployed as well.

Uh, I don't know, perhaps because unemployment has fuck all to do with gay marriage?

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Quote:Friedrich Nietzsche is dead ... GOD

Hovik Wrote:That's real cute, except you entirely missed the context and point of Nietzsche writing "God is dead." How about you educate yourself instead of misinterpreting things about which you have no understanding?
I missed nothing and understand well, I stated the truth Nietzsche is dead and God is alive. Nietzsche was wrong about Christianity it is still alive and well, and Nietzsche is dead and gone.

Clearly, considering Nietzsche's statement that "God is dead" was a criticism of organized Christianity at the time, not a statement of the nonexistence of God. "God is dead" was a call to return to a form of Christianity that better meshes with Jesus' teachings. Hence, you not only completely missed his point, but you didn't even bother doing the research to see how and why you're wrong.

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RE: Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance - by Hovik - May 15, 2012 at 6:29 pm

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