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Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance
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RE: Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance
(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say gays should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to marry, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for marriage and the few things that would go along with that.

Hovik Wrote:Except here's the basic issue: marriage is a social right that predates Christianity by quite a lot. You don't have a monopoly on marriage, and your religion has no right to say who can and cannot marry. It's as simple as that. Let's look at what you just said from another perspective, shall we?
"I did not say women should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to vote, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for voting and the few things that would go along with that."
See how changing just a few words points out the utter ridiculousness of your argument? Voting and marriage have in common that they're both social rights that are independent of your religion; they both also predate Christianity by a huge margin.

What you did with my statement takes over half the population out of voting. That's not even reasonable to compare with what I said. Let's set something straight, I'm against gay marriage, because it is against the nature of God's idea of marriage.
Marriage does not predate God it is an institution He made, and if you will carefully read Genesis you will see that gays were not included, and were actually punished.

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why would my concern for the unemployed make me dense, there are many who need to provide for their families, our government needs to concentrate on real problems that effect the many, this would include the gays that are unemployed as well.

Hovik Wrote:Uh, I don't know, perhaps because unemployment has fuck all to do with gay marriage?

Unemployment is a far greater need to deal with, families all across this country need jobs to live, gays do not need marriage to live. Of course you would rather see anything that goes against God's righteousness made law, than to see people who need help get it, now that is what I call truly heartless.



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(May 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm)libalchris Wrote:
(May 15, 2012 at 7:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:


You're a fucking bigot and a hypocrite. You sit there and tell us that there are "far more pressing issues" than gay marriage, and then applaud North Carolina for focusing on this "small issue" rather than "helping people who are in need." As if the government cannot help people in need while giving people the rights they deserve.

Who are you to impose your religious beliefs and bigotry onto individuals by means of law? Who are you to tell two people they can't truly love each other, and therefore shouldn't be given the same legal status as heterosexual couples?

Because God made the institution of marriage, and it does not include gays, and I can say this because it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country, and the majority of states say no, no, and no.
(May 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Hovik Wrote:
godschild Wrote:[...] yet you would have our government to spend time on a small issue [...]

You're sure as shit right we would. The civil rights and the women's suffrage movements were both considered "small issues" by the majority during their time, but I highly doubt you'd be making similar arguments about them.

I find it funny that you're quick to decry wasting time legalizing gay marriage, but you're all for wasting time outlawing gay marriage; the point here is, you're a bigot. You're a bigot because you're using unemployment as a shield so as to not have to confront the fact that your religion has absolutely nothing to do with your disliking of gay rights, your spiteful hatred of homosexuals does.

And for the record, I'm fairly certain it was your hyper-Christian republican president who fucked up the economy to the point where unemployment is as bad as it is. You are the problem, not us.

No, it was the money grubbing ungodly who screwed up our economy, so by your own definition, yes, it is people like you who are responsible for the shape this country is in.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Obama's church buddies on his new gay marriage stance - by Godschild - May 15, 2012 at 8:16 pm

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