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Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
I'm going to start praying that God causes terrible afflictions for the religious, every time a Christian, Muslim or Jew dies, I WIN!
(August 29, 2009 at 4:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It's a fact that the bible only makes sense when you believe in God. As a skeptical unbeliever how can you accept any of it? It makes perfect sense.

AFIK radio carbon dating can be inaccurate, but that does not discount every other usage.

I wouldn't say the minister was "Lying" but of course your phrase is intended to be emotive. He's wrong IMO and misguided by creationist nonsense. As shocking as you may find this, no one is perfect.

Yes, because you suspend reason and accept something without proof.
(August 29, 2009 at 6:14 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Well when you believe in God through Jesus you understand that everything in the OT relates to the what Jesus said. So to understand what was said you have to look at it in perspective, and not alone. I know from personal experience that it is impossible to make sense of it out of context, that is, without understanding the whole thing. Everything in the Bible is written for the purpose of understanding God, and nothing else. It's historicity is entirely irrelevant to this point.

The bible is absolutely 100% right on morality. It's the manual for morality. Whatever moral conclusions people arrive at is already in the bible. You can do it the hard way or the easy way Huh.

Christians are doing the opposite to closing their eyes to the facts. Unbelievers can do no other because they're reading with prejudice.

Bullshit:

Slavery is not moral
Genocide is not moral
Infanticide is not moral
Stoning is not moral
Racism is not moral
Sexism is not moral

The Bible is a joke, it took existing morals and ideals and claimed ownership of them, we owe these silly assumptions nothing.

And no, 'unbelievers' do not approach the book with prejudice, they approach it with rationality and a standard of evidence that holy books completely fail to meet.

You can falsely attribute whatever positive messages you want to Christianity but when you, in the same breath, completely ignore all the morally repulsive sections and make claims about morals with no proof to back them up you are doing noting more than blindly asserting your silly stone-age assumptions.
(August 29, 2009 at 6:33 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Well we (Christians) call it 'inspired'.
If you see contradictions and I don't you conclude either that I am mistaken or that I see it differently than you. The logic is that you will not see it without believing, so you fulfil the logic.

That statement in it's self is illogical, if you can not see it without believing and believing requires a leap of faith despite (or in spite) of all of the empirical evidence available to our species then the simple act of believing is illogical.
(August 29, 2009 at 6:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't 'refuse'. I would love to see a successful claim of contradiction but there are none. If you don't believe it won't make sense to you, you fulfil the logic.

1.
God created Adam and Eve at the same time
God created Adam, he did some stuff like naming animals, then he got lonely so God took his rib and made Eve.

2.
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

I could go on and on.... And if you're going to turn around and claim that they exist because man is infallible and messed up or that it's two versions of the same event then your God is more of a bitch that i presently think, the almighty intellect who can't even make sure his special book makes fucking sense!

Or is that what he's been up to the last 200 years? Proofreading?
(August 29, 2009 at 7:30 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(August 29, 2009 at 7:17 am)Giff Wrote: Fr0d0 wanted some proof of that the bible is contradicting itself. I think thats an easy one:

When Moses got the 10 commandents did it say that shouldn't kill another human. When his people arrived to their destination, what was the first thing they did? Kill all people that lived in that town, including children and women. It says so in the bible.

if that isn't contradicting then I don't know what is.
Shall I just say this isn't a contradiction.

EXPLAIN THIS NONSENSE!
(August 29, 2009 at 7:55 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Well personally I have never found anything contradictory. There is stuff I don't understand sure and I work that out as time passes. Like how is Christ fully man and fully God at the same time.. although this is post bible thinking rather than inter. There is certainly no requirement to understand everything.

I guess you don't understand life, the universe & everything Darwinian but that doesn't prevent you making assumptions? You trust in your worldview to live your life. You assume the pavement outside your house isn't going to collapse into a hole and walk over it trusting in your belief it's stable. So do I.

Assuming God leads me to live a certain way that plays out in a way consistent to what is written, spoken and lived out by me and other Christians. Assuming not God leads you to conclude that I'm foolish. These are both acceptable worldviews to me, but not to you.

Drop the fucking strawman.

Huge difference:

Our assumptions are based on evidence
No assumptions are asserted as fact until proven conclusively
Our beliefs are intentionally falsifiable
We will change our beliefs if they are proven to be incorrect

Where as your line of thought:

Ancient book is word of God because God said so in Ancient book.

You shouldn't even be allowed to use the word logic.
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Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 11:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 29, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 30, 2009 at 2:52 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:16 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:33 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:44 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 6:51 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:14 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:22 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:35 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:40 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:59 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - September 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 2, 2009 at 4:58 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 4:44 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 6:47 am
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