(August 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: How can you believe in your world view given those things? To me the world is a beautiful thing, warts and all. I want a real world and not some fantasy. Nature plays out and it is beautiful. To quote Jon Paul on yo ass: the pure actuality has to be entirely good.
My world view acknowledges these things happen and seeks to prevent them from happening or at least to minimize their impact through scientific advancement and humanist governance. My would view cites that anyone who would be in a position to help these people in need (including God) should attempt to do so and if the solution to so much suffering is easily obtainable and distributable (as is the case with God) then it is immoral not to help, and if the solution is not only obtainable and distributable but also costless (most certainly the case with god) then it is not only immoral not to help but also evil and sadistic.
If you consider suffering children to be a fine aspect of nature then you're twisted and immoral as your God who will not help babies born into poverty with no hope for the future and no chance for a better life. It is an aspect of nature, but not one of the beautiful ones, nature doesn't know we're here and it doesn't care, for all the great things that it has produced it has also seen so much chaos and destruction, to the point of 99.9% of all species that ever existed on this planet are now extinct.
You Christians are the Nazi's in this aspect, and God is your intergallactic Hitler. Just as they sat back and were complacent about the slaughter of the Jews, your kin are just as guilty for turning a blind eye as this being you believe in ensures suffering of millions of innocent lives. Just as the Nazi's praised Hitlers actions and couldn't get enough of the good he did for Germany economically, you religious praise God for all the good he does, believe it is his explicit will, and just as the Nazi's accepted the antisemitism as the infallible will of the Fuhrer and dared not question it because they saw him as a man far mightier and more righteous than them, you do the same for your God, claims such as "it is his will" or "he works in mysterious ways" used to mask his indifference and absolute immorality.
And FYI you can stick your pure actuality, until it is proven that God is the first cause it remains a blind assumption of origin and as such holds no more meaning than any other unfounded assumption.
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