RE: Where's the justice?
May 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm
(This post was last modified: May 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm by Drich.)
[quote='Tobie' pid='288915' dateline='1337631691']
[quote=Drich]seriously tobe? You and I have gone around a few times and this is what you come at me with? When did any thing I have presented here smell like it was freshly dropped from a sunday morning service? Why would you believe this message was any different?
If you do not believe this message (Or any message) is mine then challenge it in any way and lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes.[/quote]
You've made numerous posts like the following:
[quote]It's Not my place to feel anything as far as that is concerned. I am only to share what has been shared with me.[/quote]
This seems like you are not doing your own thinking to me. Sure, you could blindly follow what you interpret the bible to say, but aren't you tempted to pull back the curtain and see what's out in the real world?
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What has been "shared with me" is what I have learn from the bible. "Shared with me" pertains to the Holy Spirit opening up a wealth of wisdom and biblical knoweledge to me, as I should not have graduated high school and am constantly reminded by you good people of my short commings in spelling and grammer. I had no hope of going to any kind of secondary school not even a seminary, so everything I know of the bible has been shared or given to me by God.
As far as living in your world what makes you think I did not spend 1/2 of my life living apart from God? My Mother was a buddhist and my Father was a atheist, and that is how I grew up. I did not earnestly seek God out till i was well into my 20's.
[quote='Ace Otana' pid='288926' dateline='1337632773']
[quote]The question is - is there a god or isn't there? [/quote]Yes there is.
[quote]Can you prove that there is?[/quote]No, but I do not have to. For God tell us He will provide us with all the proof we need if we simple ask, seek and knock for it as He has told us to do.
[quote] You can say god is this or that but changes nothing.[/quote]
What if God said it to you? What would change then?
[quote]What is it about?[/quote]Eternal separation. (which once you have had your eyes opened will indeed cause a type of pain, Regret and despair)
[quote]I'm sure a lake of fire is mentioned somewhere. Or is that inaccurate?[/quote]The only time "Lake of Fire" is mentioned in scripture is in The book of Revelations. In that book that term is mentioned 4 times. If you are not aware the book of Revelations is a book of prophesy and as such uses imagery to paint a picture of reality consistent with the prophet's understanding of what he has been given over to see. In otherwords the Prophet (john of patmos in this case) is trying to describe what He has seen. The best he can do is "Lake of Fire." Christ calls it "the pit, the Void, Great darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth." In all accounts Christ himself used the word or understanding of Hell (which can mean a consuming fire) overwhelmingly describes it as an eternal separation from God. However to you that does not mean It would not look like a Great firey lake.
[quote]Ok, I'll bite. What is hell, what happens there and what is it's purpose?[/quote]Hell is eternal separation from God. Passages like Mt 10:28 tell us is a place where the body and soul is consumed/destroyed by fire.
[quote]Why? Your god as he sounds already seems sadistic.[/quote]
The definition of sadism i am using here means to take pleasure from extreme cruelty. By definition God is not sadistic because of the extreme lengths He went to procure your atonement, to which all you have to do is accept it. Sadism would have God give the illusion of atonement or "heaven" by some standard and then take it away simply to watch those who have strive to obtain that goal suffer. This is not what is happening here.
[quote]What if he wasn't? What if he really did allow both theist and atheist in heaven? [/quote]Then Again He would not be the God of the bible and all bets would be off. Meaning Heaven/Hell are also up in the air. Because "IF" God is not who He said He was then what makes you think Heaven or Hell for that matter is what He said it would be?
Which is why I asked Why would you want to spend an eternity with that type of being anyway?
[quote]Don't think I'd want to be with any god really. Also I can't say I could trust a god who likes to have his ego stroked and is so easily offended by a mere lack of belief. Seems a bit of a jerk really.[/quote]Then maybe you should take a more indepth and not such an overly simplified view of what Christianity is all about.
[quote=Drich]seriously tobe? You and I have gone around a few times and this is what you come at me with? When did any thing I have presented here smell like it was freshly dropped from a sunday morning service? Why would you believe this message was any different?
If you do not believe this message (Or any message) is mine then challenge it in any way and lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes.[/quote]
You've made numerous posts like the following:
[quote]It's Not my place to feel anything as far as that is concerned. I am only to share what has been shared with me.[/quote]
This seems like you are not doing your own thinking to me. Sure, you could blindly follow what you interpret the bible to say, but aren't you tempted to pull back the curtain and see what's out in the real world?
[/quote]
What has been "shared with me" is what I have learn from the bible. "Shared with me" pertains to the Holy Spirit opening up a wealth of wisdom and biblical knoweledge to me, as I should not have graduated high school and am constantly reminded by you good people of my short commings in spelling and grammer. I had no hope of going to any kind of secondary school not even a seminary, so everything I know of the bible has been shared or given to me by God.
As far as living in your world what makes you think I did not spend 1/2 of my life living apart from God? My Mother was a buddhist and my Father was a atheist, and that is how I grew up. I did not earnestly seek God out till i was well into my 20's.
[quote='Ace Otana' pid='288926' dateline='1337632773']
[quote]The question is - is there a god or isn't there? [/quote]Yes there is.
[quote]Can you prove that there is?[/quote]No, but I do not have to. For God tell us He will provide us with all the proof we need if we simple ask, seek and knock for it as He has told us to do.
[quote] You can say god is this or that but changes nothing.[/quote]
What if God said it to you? What would change then?
[quote]What is it about?[/quote]Eternal separation. (which once you have had your eyes opened will indeed cause a type of pain, Regret and despair)
[quote]I'm sure a lake of fire is mentioned somewhere. Or is that inaccurate?[/quote]The only time "Lake of Fire" is mentioned in scripture is in The book of Revelations. In that book that term is mentioned 4 times. If you are not aware the book of Revelations is a book of prophesy and as such uses imagery to paint a picture of reality consistent with the prophet's understanding of what he has been given over to see. In otherwords the Prophet (john of patmos in this case) is trying to describe what He has seen. The best he can do is "Lake of Fire." Christ calls it "the pit, the Void, Great darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth." In all accounts Christ himself used the word or understanding of Hell (which can mean a consuming fire) overwhelmingly describes it as an eternal separation from God. However to you that does not mean It would not look like a Great firey lake.
[quote]Ok, I'll bite. What is hell, what happens there and what is it's purpose?[/quote]Hell is eternal separation from God. Passages like Mt 10:28 tell us is a place where the body and soul is consumed/destroyed by fire.
[quote]Why? Your god as he sounds already seems sadistic.[/quote]
The definition of sadism i am using here means to take pleasure from extreme cruelty. By definition God is not sadistic because of the extreme lengths He went to procure your atonement, to which all you have to do is accept it. Sadism would have God give the illusion of atonement or "heaven" by some standard and then take it away simply to watch those who have strive to obtain that goal suffer. This is not what is happening here.
[quote]What if he wasn't? What if he really did allow both theist and atheist in heaven? [/quote]Then Again He would not be the God of the bible and all bets would be off. Meaning Heaven/Hell are also up in the air. Because "IF" God is not who He said He was then what makes you think Heaven or Hell for that matter is what He said it would be?
Which is why I asked Why would you want to spend an eternity with that type of being anyway?
[quote]Don't think I'd want to be with any god really. Also I can't say I could trust a god who likes to have his ego stroked and is so easily offended by a mere lack of belief. Seems a bit of a jerk really.[/quote]Then maybe you should take a more indepth and not such an overly simplified view of what Christianity is all about.
