(May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(May 21, 2012 at 5:36 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Oh go fuck yourself. Not once have I denied that people are racist bigots just like you. Quite the fucking contrary.And you obviously have not denied that the majority of earth's population are like this, as we are fractured into nation states, and even have different languages and cultures by which we associate ourselves, how dare we.
Asserting 'reality' does NOT however give you the 'moral superiority' to claim it to be perfectly fine to be racist.
It's like saying "Oh well there are people who think it's okay to rape young girls, so I think it's okay to rape young girls, and I have the moral superiority to think so".
Fucking ludicrous.
Obviously, if we were as you, we would all speak esperanto. Why don't you start by teaching us your moral superiority in this issue by renouncing your national identity first?
I am merely being a realist when I embrace my own people before everyone else. Everyone does this, but not everyone can speak up.
I can, and I do not fear naive do-gooders like you.
It is indeed perfectly fine, as the natural order of the world commands you to be one.
On the other hand, the natural order of the world does not require you to rape girls. I don't know why you chose to give such an irrelevant example.
While I will openly admit this has nothing to do with me the entire argument that you have put forward has offended me on a personal level because ignorance and stupidity seem to have such an effect on me.
Your first point is not a rebuttal of anything that has been leveled against you, provides no support for your argument and just generally seems like a sign that you have misunderstood what is being said, if so, put your hand up and a teacher will be with you shortly, otherwise don't make points about nothing because this is somewhere between ignorant and stupid. Stating that there are nations would not necessarily mean that everyone everywhere is a bigot and conducts themselves as you do, you claim that this is the reason for your overt display of racism. This is, quite evidently, pure horseshit, racists are racist because they are ignorant and intolerant, don't blame your society for that, blame your religion if you will but that's another argument altogether and not one I want to get bogged down in.
Don't assume that placing the needs of humanity over the needs of a society is a traitorous act, I actively renounce my ties to this nation and you have no reason to believe that others have not and so to assume that he has and thus judge him is a lovely mix of (yet more) bigotry and judgemental attitude.
There is no level of realism in what you have just said, to place your own people above others can be labelled as nothing more than arrogance and is simply the first step towards genocidal tendencies. Furthermore, you cannot assume that everyone is a racist simply because you are, you are a racist, I am not, most other people are not and any attempt to convince anyone else simply by using yourself as an example will reveal you to be nothing more than a backwards-thinking nationalist.
What I also take issue with is your condemning attitude towards 'dogooders', surely you cannot be attaching derogatory attitudes to the pursuit of good conduct and if you are this would further support the idea that you are simply fucking stupid. Nobody hates a do-gooder, there is no naivety in acting well towards your fellow human and to assert that there is is the justification of an immoral arsehole who is drowning in his own arguments' inadequacies. Do not claim that the moral are wrong for being so as this seems pretty contradictory.
The natural order of things does not require you to place yourself upon a pedestal and praise your nation for nothing at all, nor does it give you the right to consider other races less worthy than yourself you self-righteous idiot. Furthermore, you state that you prefer the Turkish to others, I'm going to lay some truth on you here, Turkey doesn't exist
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Also, as a brief caveat, society is not a single being, it is a complex interplay of people and to regard the individual as most important is nothing but true, otherwise we would create a paternalistic state where the people simply do not exist as anything other than the molecules of a solid society, jesus, in future please think about what you write before you post?
that is all.