Where's the justice?

[Drich]

I'll have to find out if it was god or I'm simply hallucinating. I'll stick to simple explanations till there is evidence for the complex. Occam's razer.

Occam's razor cuts both ways. In that more often than not, one assumes that all things are indeed equal when one does not take the time to explore anything outside of the philosophy or theory he has already adopted for himself. Therefore leading the fool to cut everything out of his tightly closed mind that he does not already accept.

Separation from an incompetent fool sounds rather nice to be honest.

Which is why Hell is there. For people like you who do not want to spend an eternity with God. God will not drag you into His presents kicking and screaming. If you or others like you do not want to be with God for eternity then you are seperated from Him for eternity.

Seems more like he's painting a picture/describing of what he saw in his over active imagination.

Which coincides with other prophesies about that same time period.

I'll apply Occam's razor and use the simpler explanation.

Because you simply do not know any better. How can I say this? Because you have not researched any of the other prophesies concerning what is being discussed otherwise your attention would have been directed else where. Occam's razor only pertains to one who has ALL The information made available, and then an informed decision is to be made. Not what you have demonstrated in this thread a half a dozen times now. where anything outside of your scope is quickly dismissed.

Great lengths? I thought god was all powerful?

God is the God of the Natural world. Why would The God who set up all of these natural processes work around them everytime He wanted something done? It would stand to reason that the God who instituted Natural Law would also use Natural law to accomplish His objectives. Hence the "effort" put fourth to secure your potential attonement.

Also if his plan isn't working so well and that more and more have considered the whole religious thing to be complete nonsense, perhaps he didn't think things through?

Why would you think "His plan" isn't working so well?

A sign of incompetence perhaps? Surely being all knowing he'd know of a better way to deal with things?

To make that assumption one must completely understand the objective of God. So please enlighten me. what was God's objective that got so out of hand that you got to deem Him "incompetent?"

Why would you?

I wouldn't, because IF God could not be trusted to tell us His plan for atonement or if His plan for atonement was a lie, and atheist got into Heaven then In turn God could not be trusted to accurately describe Heaven or Hell.

Oh wait, dah bubble says so!

Oh, dear it seems as if someone got lost in the discussion.

Also the question is irrelevant to me. I don't believe in god.

It's your question!!! You instituted the parameters of this discussion and now you pulled out of it when your logic fails? Otana's razor right? "If all things being equal and "my logic fails" bail on the question."

Didn't say I did. The question is meaningless. I simply stated that "what if god did allow both theists and atheists? That's all.

Are you not an Atheist? Would you not benefit from this arrangement? If all Atheist were forced into Heaven would you want to be with God, even if you did not believe in God? again your discussion, not mine.

Just curious of theist's response. Apparently you seem to dislike the idea, not sure why.

Apparently you do not understand what you are asking.

If God side steps the bible then nothing we know about God is true. At this point "god" could be the machines and Heaven could be the Matrix. If God is not who He says He is in the bible, then Heaven is not what you think it is either, meaning it is a place you'd wouldn't want to go.

Aside from that i do not care who is in Heaven. That is why i am taking the time to answer your questions.