Where's the justice?

[Ace Otana]

Occam's razor cuts both ways. In that more often than not, one assumes that all things are indeed equal when one does not take the time to explore anything outside of the philosophy or theory he has already adopted for himself. Therefore leading the fool to cut everything out of his tightly closed mind that he does not already accept.

FFS, do you actually know what Occam's razer is? Ok, I'll give you a quick lesson. If you have two explanations, go for the simpler one. Use the explanation with the fewest assumptions. Keep things simple and do not multiply entities without necessity. That is Occam's razer.
So for example, someone claims there is a god and he spoke to him, the simple explanation with the fewest assumptions is most likely correct, which is he is mistaken. I have no idea where you got this 'equal' thing.

Take a good look through this - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...Theory.svg
It may help.

Which is why Hell is there. For people like you who do not want to spend an eternity with God. God will not drag you into His presents kicking and screaming. If you or others like you do not want to be with God for eternity then you are seperated from Him for eternity.

That's cool, always wanted to drive to hell with the devil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JSIVBgDN...H8ufOavkVg

Because you simply do not know any better. How can I say this? Because you have not researched any of the other prophesies concerning what is being discussed otherwise your attention would have been directed else where.

Yeah, the whole 'you just don't know'. Ok, I'm going to clear this up for you. Christians disagree with each other all the time. You all seem to have your own version of Christianity. Some of you think there is a lake of fire, some don't. Some believe Christians are as likely to end up in hell as atheists and some others don't. Some Christians also believe atheists go to heaven and some like yourself don't. You see, no matter WHAT! I cannot satisfy you in any way possible! You have your own little version of Christianity like every other Christian. Some Christians don't think god is all knowing or all powerful.
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So you have evidence of your claims then? I guess I'll have to explain Occam's razer to you again. Stick to the simple until there is evidence for the complex. You're making a lot of assumptions and no evidence to back it up. So using Occam's razer I'll stick with the simpler and most likely explanation, which is you are mistaken.

Occam's razor only pertains to one who has ALL The information made available, and then an informed decision is to be made. Not what you have demonstrated in this thread a half a dozen times now. where anything outside of your scope is quickly dismissed.

Wrong yet again. That's not Occam's razer.
Also I'll dismiss extraordinary claims that lack credibility, explanatory power and evidence. Your beliefs lack all three. Also I'm using logic and sticking to known entities. What is known is that religious men have throughout history made wild claims without proof. Delusions are something to greatly consider. What is not known is god, heaven/hell.
It's logical procedure to use known entities to explain unknown entities. So with Occam's razer I'll stick to the most likely explanation that you are mistaken. Simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaSqH8lhB0M

God is the God of the Natural world. Why would The God who set up all of these natural processes work around them everytime He wanted something done? It would stand to reason that the God who instituted Natural Law would also use Natural law to accomplish His objectives. Hence the "effort" put fourth to secure your potential attonement.

Really? So the whole great lengths thing means fuck all? Being all powerful after all. Can you prove any of this?

Why would you think "His plan" isn't working so well?

Well unless cancer, starvation, small worms that eat their way into children's eyes in Africa causing intense pain and leading to blindness........is part of his plan? Not a good job from a being that is infinitely powerful.

To make that assumption one must completely understand the objective of God. So please enlighten me.

It's down to logic. If god is all loving, all knowing and all powerful, then why is there so much disaster in the world? Either he's malicious, incompetent or isn't all powerful. Take your pick.
You do realise he's guilty of the immorals of inaction? No one ever thinks little of him. But if a person was guilty of inaction, he'd be hated throughout the community. Like for example, a child drowning in a swimming pool and the only adult there who knows what's happening refuses to help the child in any way. Despite having the power to save the child, he instead watches him drown. That is immoral inaction. It's a moral obligation.

I wouldn't, because IF God could not be trusted to tell us His plan for atonement or if His plan for atonement was a lie, and atheist got into Heaven then In turn God could not be trusted to accurately describe Heaven or Hell.

All this because god allows atheists in to heaven. Though you won't say it, you don't like it. You're trying you're best to make up excuses.

It's your question!!! You instituted the parameters of this discussion and now you pulled out of it when your logic fails? Otana's razor right? "If all things being equal and "my logic fails" bail on the question."

A question for theists, since they believe in god. No point asking an atheist "Why would you want to be with this being" or whatever. The question for me is pointless. Because from my point of view, god does not exist. The question asks "how would you feel if atheists went to heaven". Pointless for an atheist to answer.

Are you not an Atheist? Would you not benefit from this arrangement? If all Atheist were forced into Heaven would you want to be with God, even if you did not believe in God? again your discussion, not mine.

Just asking how you'd feel about it, like I said above, the question would be pointless for an atheist. It's your god and the last time I checked, atheists don't have a god. Also I didn't say "forced", I said "allowed". Big difference between forced and allowed. You do seem to be showing dislike to the idea of atheists going to heaven, it's just you won't admit it.

Apparently you do not understand what you are asking.

And you don't seem to get Occam's razer.

If God side steps the bible then nothing we know about God is true. At this point "god" could be the machines and Heaven could be the Matrix. If God is not who He says He is in the bible, then Heaven is not what you think it is either, meaning it is a place you'd wouldn't want to go.

Oh? What if the bible was mostly accurate but wrong in some parts? Perhaps the bible was wrong about atheists going to hell, perhaps it was completely wrong about everything. Perhaps every religion in the world got it wrong. Perhaps there is no afterlife for any of us. I'm just going to stick to known entities on this. Logical procedure.

Aside from that i do not care who is in Heaven. That is why i am taking the time to answer your questions.

I think you do based on your responses. Good day old chap.