Quote:Until the definition changes to encompass same-sex couples. I refuse to believe you can be this dense.No, I know that. I know what you people want.
I rather have the definition that is in touch with it's roots in place.
Whatever definition you had of a marrige obviously has no real relevance to it's purpose at all.
Quote:Historically, long before there was an institution of marriage, way before there were even properly formed legal structures, there were 'commitment ceremonies' and before that, there was just reproduction. Throughout the periods where these situations existed, offspring were still produced and anthropologists/biologists/historians can demonstrate that 'family' existed in a wide variety of forms.And did these commitment ceremonies include gays into their ranks? If so, why did those not persist?
Why did the institution of a family evolve into the core family, that consists of a husband, wife and children? Obviously there is a reason for all of this.
And there is a reason why gays were not included into the institution of the family. They never were considered to be a part of society with their open identities.
Quote:In time, those with power over society cynically corrupted the idea of the ceremony to include all sorts of legislation which increased their power or control over societyI don't know what this has to do with homosexuals, however.
I believe that the institution of marriage evolved according to the needs of society, not it's every fucking demand. Society needs core families to thrive, not families that consist of two men or women that are not able to produce life, nor take care of it as a man an a woman could.
Quote:at first only those at the top of the hierarchy could marry,I don't know where you get your facts, but I'm sure that marriage is an already developed concept by the time people were able to write using cuneiform.
And it's concept revolved around the children, as people were reluctant to take care of a child that was not of their own, so they attached a female partner solely to themselves, that the father of the child would be known. This is what marriage was all about, friend.
Quote:By the time commoners could, institutions such as ownership of the woman were already ingrained."Commoner" and "Noble"...Well, I really have no idea of which timeline you speak of, but it certainly isn't the middle ages.
Quote: Originally, it was only about commitment to your partners and nothing else.Read my damn post above. It was about forming a solid family structure, as it was relevant to the survival of the child.
Quote:That's how I would prefer it to be again.Commitment is one thing, obviously today's marriages are not about commitment at all! For people say that marriage can be about anything as long as people agree. If both partners agree on an "open marriage" like an open relationship, they can do so. There are no limits to anything, in the world of the likes of you, friend. Then you come to me and talk about commitment. I don't think that you have committed yourself to anyone but yourself.
Quote:No, those legal rights can be attained without marriage. Just ask a lawyer. That being true, you need to ask yourself why a state would choose to protect the legal institution of marriage.I do not need to, I know it by the law. Marriage is protected by the state under the same laws that protect the family, friend.
At least here it is. This is why you cannot break a marriage at will, you need to present something that convinces the government that your marrige should be broken apart. Just as you need society to approve of your marriage, you need the society to disapprove of it.
No individual is above society, no individual is above the law.
Quote:Wrong, yet again. 'Deviancy' is an arbitrary subjective concept. Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomenon as are all ranges of sexuality, sexual behaviour & sexual identification. There is no 'deviancy', just a range of human variety.If I were to tell you that incest is Okay, and it's normal, and it's "natural" because it commonly occurs in nature, would you call it normal? I would not, certainly. Hell yes, for science is subjective in itself. If something is not normal, it's not. This is not a philosophical matter.
Quote:No, no, no! All people must be afforded the same level of legal protection, irrespective of race, creed, sexuality, artistic preference, musical taste, choice of breakfast cereal...Well, have your legal protection. Not everyone is granted the same privilages though. Why can't you live in the white house, friend? Why can't I? Why am I not granted the same privilages that a diplomat enjoys?
Your world does not exist, friend. Marriage is very much alike this concept. It does not apply to everyone.
Quote:if not, people will be harmed by arbitrary discrimination,Who? Really?
Quote:All people are born equal therefore all people must be granted equality. You're done.And I guess that your equality shapes itself around marriage. How about your wealth? If you were born as an equal to Prince Charles, why do you have to take the bus when you go to work?
Equality is merely a word on paper. It doesn't exist.
Quote:When you're done playing with your strawman, perhaps you'd like to read what I wrote again, because I promise you I said no such thing.So you state that the current form of marriage is still relevant to society? I know it is.
Quote:Likewise in both scenarios, I wouldn't have to if I didn't want to. And neither would you. It's not like the gay mafia will be coming around and painting a rainbow on your door, criticising your taste in fabrics and giving you a makeover you can't refuse. Extending equal rights to one section of society does not necessarily take away from yours.Well, equal rights, or better said, privilages, are only amongst equals, friend.
We are not on equal terms with homosexuals when it comes to marriage.
Quote:And allowing same-sex couples to marry won't change that. We'll still have families, of all gender combinations.But family needs to be of a single gender combination. This is how it was born, and this is how it has come to this day.
All gender combinations. Really, the polygamy thread was already a weird one, as I was expecting things like a marriage in which three gays and two lesbians are married to eachother, how is that for a combination?
And how well would that make a family? It would make for a good freakshow, though. Similarly, a family that consists of two males or two females makes for a good freakshow. It's uncommon and will never be common unless these people live in their own country, where they form the majority and form law and society according to their own will.
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