(May 28, 2012 at 1:26 am)Undeceived Wrote: 'Magic' is associated with demons. It has to do with harnessing power from or moving materials from elsewhere in nature. 'Miracles' are done with no natural power at all, but power from a higher being. I think the word you're looking for is 'Supernatural'.
mag·ic/ˈmajik/
Noun:
The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
Nope, no demons mentioned anywhere. But supernatural is included in its definition. Therefore, demons are magic, miracles are magic and your god is magic.
(May 28, 2012 at 1:26 am)Undeceived Wrote: Anything before the universe is not natural and therefore supernatural. In nature, all things have a catalyst. Therefore either the Big Bang had a supernatural catalyst or had no cause at all... which has no empirical support. Pick your poison. Either you believe in the supernatural or you have faith in some principle you do not yet know about.
Your argument refutes itself. Your definition of nature assumes "all things have a catalyst". Therefore, it is not limited to Big-Bang and nature can extend prior to it.
If everything before the universe is not natural, then by definition it does not have a cause. If it is natural, then it has a natural cause and there is no need to invoke supernatural.
