(May 31, 2012 at 3:27 pm)StatCrux Wrote: This is an argument I hear often and makes no logical sense. What do you mean exactly by "make it count" count for what? If this is it, nothing after, then this life is meaningless and any attempt to imbue any meaning is purely delusional, while it may make you feel better its ultimately living a pointless lie. Belief in God and eternal life gives meaning and purpose with consequence to our actions and lives, its internally coherent. Saying life has no meaning then creating meaning is internally incoherent. Faith and doubt are two sides to the same coin, the types who worry me are those with certainty, those who claim they are certain there is no God.
(May 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm)Tobie Wrote: How does making your life count make no logical sense? We only have one, we might as well make it enjoyable and meaningful, rather than wasting our time chastising ourselves for the enjoyment of some all-powerful being that mos likely doesn't exist.I agree with what Tobie has say with a few additions.
Life has no goal, but we can create our own, giving it meaning to us. Our lives have a meaning, because we have the ability to give ourselves one.
I make my life count for myself. If you're not going to try and live the best life you can, if you're willing to be complacent, if you never want to go anywhere, you might as well be dead (this is not trying to say theists should die, theists, for the most part, still work to further goals). We're alive, though. One life, one shot. Is that not enough to inspire you to enjoy it? In addition, we don't believe in an afterlife. You seem to be concerned with atheists and the consequence of our actions. If we harm someone, we can't comfort ourselves with the ideas of heaven. When we see death, it's final and much more meaningful. I will never see my grandfather again. I will never meet any of the people who perished in Norway or in Mexico. My family will not be waiting for me on the other side. The thought of murder is so repulsive to me... To take another's only life away from them... Even the death penalty is unconscionable to me. You can imagine how insulting it is to me (I cannot speak for everyone as a whole) when someone brings a god into that.