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Is belief in God a choice
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RE: Is belief in God a choice
(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You believed without reasoning, this is counter to the requirement of Christianity/ Catholicism. The god you believed in could have been any god. Imagining some white bearded old guy sat on a cloud is not belief in God. Having a certainty beyond logic is not belief in God. That is not Christianity.
Please don't make assumptions about what I believed and why. I had a reason to believe in Catholicism, and that reason was I believed what I was taught. Furthermore, I know I was sincere in my belief when I did believe, Many adults believe for that very reason to this day. I simply managed to come to terms with what I was also taught about Evolution and science to decide what I was taught about religion was not true and I lost the conviction I once had. When I was child I was convinced, I had a reason, despite the fact that it wasn't a strong reason. Just because I never believed your version of Christianity does not mean I never truly believed mine.

(August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It sounds here like belief in God does not require faith. Would you agree with that? In EvF's point, faith is ruled out, I suspect because EvF innocently cannot entertain the idea because it is outside of his understanding.
To gain or lose faith is different to a physical interpretation of belief. Having faith in the unknowable is different to belief in the truck about to run you down.
Here we lose connection with belief as an absolute knowledge. In religious terms belief is similar to faith in that it is not certain in the same way. Beliefin God does in no way imply absolute knowledge.

It depends on the person. I specifically chose the word convince for a reason. Being convinced doesn't mean you have to be convinced by evidence and reason. Many people can be convinced on the flimsiest of reasons. Some people are convinced and they are convinced by their faith, and that's it. Others truly believe they have logical valid evidence for God that meets the rigors of the scientific theory.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

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Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 3:24 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - August 31, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 4:14 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - August 31, 2009 at 4:28 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Eilonnwy - August 31, 2009 at 3:48 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - August 31, 2009 at 6:51 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by padraic - August 31, 2009 at 4:21 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Eilonnwy - August 31, 2009 at 8:37 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - August 31, 2009 at 9:45 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - August 31, 2009 at 11:53 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 1, 2009 at 4:03 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 1, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 1, 2009 at 8:06 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 1, 2009 at 9:29 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2009 at 10:04 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Tiberius - August 31, 2009 at 10:24 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - August 31, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - August 31, 2009 at 11:45 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Rhizomorph13 - August 31, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - August 31, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Rhizomorph13 - August 31, 2009 at 1:00 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - August 31, 2009 at 1:05 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - August 31, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Rhizomorph13 - August 31, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - August 31, 2009 at 1:55 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Retorth - August 31, 2009 at 2:35 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - August 31, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 1, 2009 at 6:35 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 1, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Tiberius - September 1, 2009 at 2:51 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 1, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by dry land fish - September 1, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 1, 2009 at 7:15 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 3:50 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by LukeMC - September 2, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 4:13 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by LukeMC - September 2, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 5:58 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Darwinian - September 2, 2009 at 5:52 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 5:56 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Darwinian - September 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 3, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Retorth - September 2, 2009 at 7:11 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by MetalVampire - September 2, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 12:08 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Rhizomorph13 - September 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:40 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:51 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:18 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:24 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:36 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:52 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 9:26 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 10:01 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Godlesspanther - September 3, 2009 at 12:14 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 3, 2009 at 12:22 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Godlesspanther - September 3, 2009 at 12:44 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 3, 2009 at 12:50 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by theVOID - September 3, 2009 at 3:34 am
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by downbeatplumb - September 4, 2009 at 1:30 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Tiberius - September 4, 2009 at 2:02 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by downbeatplumb - September 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2009 at 5:38 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm
RE: Is belief in God a choice - by Tiberius - September 5, 2009 at 10:02 am

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