(June 5, 2012 at 2:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: For me, it's not a problem since I don't believe in any of it anyway. For the believer, you have two theological issues to work out:I haven't redefined anything. This is a strawman arguement centered around the fact that you are not willing to accept the dictionary's definition of Deity as posted.
1. Polytheism: Jesus can forgive sins, essentially making him a god. Dirch tries to redefine some terms here but can't escape how his triumvirate of three separate deities still contains multiple deities and is therefore polytheistic.
"Deity" = a god
Since you are not prepared to argue the reference material I quoted, the next best thing for you is to change the facts to something you know how to argue. Stop being lazy and do your due diligence and address what has been stated. Not change the arguement to something you are familiar with and think you know how to argue.
Quote:Redefining "God" as a conglomerate of three deities doesn't escape this problem.Nothing has been redefined by me. I have shown my work in this thread and listed my reference material. Where is yours? Understand commentary by someone more religious than you is not Reference material. Also know changing what the bible says to support your arguments is also not reference material.. Aside from that I ask you prove your assertions like I have been made to do each and everytime I bring a thought on to this forum. Just because you do not believe in God does not mean your assertions about Him are free from the same scrutiny that assertions for the presents of God warrant. Show your work.
Quote:Now there were early Christians who did believe that Jesus was a separate celestial being from Yahweh. The Marcionites thought Jesus was a superior god to Yahweh and rejected the entire OT. The Arians (not to be confused with Hitler's mythical "super race") preached that Jesus was an angel sent by Yahweh. The Ebionites said that Jesus was a mortal man adopted by Yahweh as a son.Red herring. your appeal to off topic 'facts' indicates a grasping of filler material to bulk up your message. This should be about the bible, the original words found in the bible and the meanings of those words. The rest is foolishness. Again, show me your work. Show me where you assertions are based.
All of these faiths failed at Nicaea because they either lacked universal appeal (the Ebionites were strictly Jewish) or they couldn't be reconciled with the OT (needed because the Romans would never accept a "new" religion, on the theory that if it were really true, how come nobody heard about it before?).