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The trinity
RE: The trinity
(June 6, 2012 at 2:50 am)Godschild Wrote:
(June 5, 2012 at 8:47 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: They're not "little corners" you patronising, grossly misinformed little man. The references to God as a singular individual undeniably make up the bulk of the Bible.
John 10:30, New International Version "I and the Father are one."
Explain the evidence you drew upon to translate this into "I and the Father are in a special organization called God" as opposed to some type of poetic symbolism.

The underlined statement is not correct, God is called elohiym in most of the OT. Elohiym is a plural expression, as in the Trinity. In Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, " Behold the man has become like one of Us.... here God was not talking to the angels, He was relating to the rest of the Godhead, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. In Genesis chapter one it says, the Spirit of God moved over the waters...God in this verse is called elohiym, again reference to the plural or Trinity. In John, Christ is called the Word and the Word is God . In Col. 2:9 For in Christ all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form. With these verses you can see that God is a trinity which was established at the beginning of creation, also Christ is realized as the Deity even in the flesh. Now how God is able to do this I do not know, but we can see that the Three are all in one place when Jesus was baptized, one God in the three Persons.

Now explain to me how this counters my assertion that hes refered to in the singular in the *bulk* of the Bible. Notice I didn't say *all* of it, the majority of it and it is undeniably the majority. If Christianity was to follow every verse regardless of whether it suits them then not only would it be even more conflicted and confused than it already is but it'd also be for the idea of bringing slavery back and stoning unruly children. Suffice to say modern society doesn't do either and I don't think you'd suggest that it should. Seeing as this is the case how can you deny this redefinition of God as nothing more than another instance of someone selectively pickng Bible verses that are pleasing to them? Also, if this is the case how is your religion any different from an evolved and concealed form of paganism?

"Now how God is able to do this I do not know, but we can see that the Three are all in one place when Jesus was baptized, one God in the three Persons."
Very simple explaination here, he didn't. The only reason you think he did is because you think every word of the Bible is true but find the concept of the Trinity ridiculous, which it is. Suffice to say there are far older religions than Christianity who coined the term "God" long before you or Christianity even existed. It means an omnipotent being of infinite power and if you state there are actually three seperate entities who fit this description you are saying there are three Gods which counters the Bibles assertion there is only one God. You do not get a special entitlement to redefine the meaning of words that are hundreds of times older than you are and have remained unchanged for that period of time.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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