(June 5, 2012 at 3:15 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Even if three deities were a hive mind, you still have three deities. 3 = multiple = poly. Ergo polytheism.I agree with you that it resembles on polytheism, but there are quite differences in comparision with polytheistic religions: three persons of the Trinity have the same will, the same energies etc. Wherever is Father, there is Son and Holy Spirit. If you speak about one person, you can not avoid to speak about other two. And as I've already said - there is no any kind of separation.
They are not three individual beings, like it is described in, for example, Egyptian mythology. Father doesn't exist without Son and Spirit, because his existence is his identity(= that he is Father). He exists because he is in communion with other two persons. This also applies to Son and Spirit.
Nothing from things mentioned above can not be found in polytheistic religions.
When you scratch below the surface, you find main differences between christianity and polytheistic religions, which is why I think that we shouldn't call it polytheism.
If you still want to call it polytheism - ok, I have no problem with that. At least, it is very strange tipe of polytheism.
Quote:Mark 15:34Jesus cites psalm 22(21) which is prophetic and speaks about Christ's suffering on the cross etc.
Also, as a man, in that moment Jesus feels that he is abandoned by Father.
Quote:Luke 22:42I see no problem. In the Trinity,everything happens by Father, through Son, in Holy Spirit. There is completely agrement between them. It's something that we have to keep in mind, even when we speak about incarnate Christ.
When Jesus was in the Garden of Gathsemane, his divine nature was facing with his humanity. Alike we, he felt fear from suffering and death. On the other hand, as a Son of God the Father, he has the same will with him, and he wants to do what is needed for our salvation. His divine will was in conflict with his human will. I can not find subordination here.
Quote:Matt 24:36
Quote:XV. Their tenth objection is the ignorance, and the statement that Of the last day and hour knoweth no man, not even the Son Himself, but the Father. [3674] And yet how can Wisdom be ignorant of anything—that is, Wisdom Who made the worlds, Who perfects them, Who remodels them, Who is the Limit of all things that were made, Who knoweth the things of God as the spirit of a man knows the things that are in him? [3675] For what can be more perfect than this knowledge? How then can you say that all things before that hour He knows accurately, and all things that are to happen about the time of the end, but of the hour itself He is ignorant? For such a thing would be like a riddle; as if one were to say that he knew accurately all that was in front of the wall, but did not know the wall itself; or that, knowing the end of the day, he did not know the beginning of the night—where knowledge of the one necessarily brings in the other. Thus everyone must see that He knows as God, and knows not as Man;—if one may separate the visible from that which is discerned by thought alone. For the absolute and unconditioned use of the Name "The Son" in this passage, without the addition of whose Son, gives us this thought, that we are to understand the ignorance in the most reverent sense, by attributing it to the Manhood, and not to the Godhead.http://www.elpenor.org/gregory-nazianzen....asp?pg=10