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The trinity
RE: The trinity
(June 6, 2012 at 4:54 am)RaphielDrake Wrote:
(June 6, 2012 at 2:50 am)Godschild Wrote:


Now explain to me how this counters my assertion that hes refered to in the singular in the *bulk* of the Bible. Notice I didn't say *all* of it, the majority of it and it is undeniably the majority. If Christianity was to follow every verse regardless of whether it suits them then not only would it be even more conflicted and confused than it already is but it'd also be for the idea of bringing slavery back and stoning unruly children. Suffice to say modern society doesn't do either and I don't think you'd suggest that it should. Seeing as this is the case how can you deny this redefinition of God as nothing more than another instance of someone selectively pickng Bible verses that are pleasing to them? Also, if this is the case how is your religion any different from an evolved and concealed form of paganism?

"Now how God is able to do this I do not know, but we can see that the Three are all in one place when Jesus was baptized, one God in the three Persons."
Very simple explaination here, he didn't. The only reason you think he did is because you think every word of the Bible is true but find the concept of the Trinity ridiculous, which it is. Suffice to say there are far older religions than Christianity who coined the term "God" long before you or Christianity even existed. It means an omnipotent being of infinite power and if you state there are actually three seperate entities who fit this description you are saying there are three Gods which counters the Bibles assertion there is only one God. You do not get a special entitlement to redefine the meaning of words that are hundreds of times older than you are and have remained unchanged for that period of time.

I did, elohiym is the Hebrew for God and in over 90% of the OT this name is used for God. Once again elohiym is a plural name for God. What part of this did you not understand in my statement, I mean really how could you have missed it.
No, Christians would not support slavery in any way, as a matter of fact there are Christian groups working to help children pull out of sex slavery, that unbelievers around the world support, as a matter of fact slavery in one form or another is larger than any time in US history. All of today's slavery is supported by unbelievers, Christians around the world are working to put an end to it. So you see it is the unbelievers who have never let slavery die out, shame on the unbelieving.

As for stoning children Christians have never practiced it, neither has the Jewish nation, I've explained this so many times I've given up on you all being able to comprehend, for some reason it just goes right over your heads, I find this to be puzzling since you all claim intelligence.

I did not redefine God I used the scriptures to show you the truth, unlike yourself, just making claims with no Biblical support. I have used the definitions of the words as they were and are, as for one God yes scriptures teach this, they also teach that God is triune and I referred to some of those verses.

Yes, I believe that the Bible is true from the first word to the last word. I see no reason to doubt it, and you will always have to deal with this as long as we have discussions. I do not change my mind because others do not see the truth.

There is no way any religion can be older than the One who created all things, this is impossible.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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The trinity - by Drich - June 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 3, 2012 at 12:26 am
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RE: The trinity - by Welsh cake - June 3, 2012 at 2:34 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Epimethean - June 4, 2012 at 6:52 am
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RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 4, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: The trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - June 4, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - June 6, 2012 at 11:01 am
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RE: The trinity - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 4, 2012 at 4:36 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - June 5, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 6, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: The trinity - by Reforged - June 6, 2012 at 4:54 am
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RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Epimethean - June 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 9:41 am
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RE: The trinity - by Tobie - June 5, 2012 at 5:48 am
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RE: The trinity - by Drich - June 5, 2012 at 7:56 am
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RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2012 at 11:02 am
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RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Drich - June 5, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RE: The trinity - by Drich - June 6, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 6, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: The trinity - by Reforged - June 6, 2012 at 9:32 am
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RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: The trinity - by Anomalocaris - June 6, 2012 at 10:52 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 7, 2012 at 9:28 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 7, 2012 at 10:49 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 8, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: The trinity - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 8, 2012 at 6:52 am
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RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 11, 2012 at 3:37 am
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RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 5, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 5, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: The trinity - by Epimethean - June 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: The trinity - by BeeDeePee - June 6, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 6, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Drich - June 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: The trinity - by Tobie - June 7, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: The trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - June 7, 2012 at 10:17 am
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RE: The trinity - by Tobie - June 7, 2012 at 10:25 am
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RE: The trinity - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Drich - June 7, 2012 at 9:45 am
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RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm
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RE: The trinity - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 7, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: The trinity - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RE: The trinity - by Jackalope - June 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: The trinity - by Epimethean - June 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Welsh cake - June 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Cato - June 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 8, 2012 at 12:26 am
RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 8, 2012 at 12:33 am
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RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 8, 2012 at 1:44 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Thor - June 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: The trinity - by Jackalope - June 8, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: The trinity - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm
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RE: The trinity - by Cyberman - June 8, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 8, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: The trinity - by Epimethean - June 8, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: The trinity - by Godschild - June 9, 2012 at 2:33 am
RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 8, 2012 at 11:17 pm
RE: The trinity - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: The trinity - by Minimalist - June 10, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: The trinity - by downbeatplumb - June 11, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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RE: The trinity - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: The trinity - by DeistPaladin - June 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm
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