(September 2, 2009 at 3:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Wow mega dodge! OK you refuse to discuss it. I get it. I shan't bother with you any further then.
Wow - I have to say you're the most narrow minded and stubborn person I've ever met. Your childish blanking is the epitome of ignorance.
Have a nice day.
No, you are failing to discuss it. I'm happy to discuss if you're willing to evidence your views. If you're just going to say that it only makes sense to you and other Christians, where's the discussion?
Quote:Wow - I have to say you're the most narrow minded and stubborn person I've ever met. Your childish blanking is the epitome of ignorance.Ever? Well you've really done your research(!) So I'm inclinced to believe you (!) Lmfao.
I expect evidence, and with evidence I will beleive. You can't get any more open minded than that without your brains dropping out.
- and I said in my above post that when I ask this question it is not rhetorical. I seriously want to know your answer, but you completely ignored me.
I really want to know: How are we going to discuss this if you're unwilling to evidence your position and you're just going to state how it only makes sense to you, and other Christians? Where's the discussion there? It's just you asserting that it makes sense to you but not us atheists! In which case, how do we discuss?!
You have to evidence why it's any different to any other belief. Otherwise how are we going to discuss?
And if you're going to just assert that it only makes sense to you and other Christians, and you're not willing to actually backup your postion at all with evidence, then that's close-minded if anything is! You call that a discussion?!
@ MetalVampire, I would agree that it's a 'choice' to disbelieve in that sense. But if it's not voluntary in any way, I wouldn't say it's a choice. Because whether you 'look into it' or not is compelled by other things, and then when you do 'look into it', you still may or may not be convinced.
- It's just that to call an involuntary choice a choice, it seems kind of oxymoronic...it seems like a contradiction. So it may be a choice 'in that sense', but then 'that sense' isn't exactly a 'choice' by definition I would think...because I would think a 'choice' would have to be voluntary, otherwise perhaps it's just something like, say - an opportunity, at best?
I wouldn't draw a distinction between disbelief being more of a mater of choice than belief, it's an interesting thought though. I would think that an atheist has just as much 'choice' 'in that sense' to 'look into' belief in God...it's just I don't think we'd bother or get anywhere with it, lol.
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