RE: Is belief in God a choice
September 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2009 at 3:36 pm by fr0d0.)
(September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: No, you are failing to discuss it. I'm happy to discuss if you're willing to evidence your views. If you're just going to say that it only makes sense to you and other Christians, where's the discussion?you're happy to discuss it if I provide what I have stated very many times is not possible. You want me to discuss choice but not as part of my belief!? To me this directly equates to a refusal to discuss the subject. I'd love to hear how you possibly think it couldn't.
(September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: - and I said in my above post that when I ask this question it is not rhetorical. I seriously want to know your answer, but you completely ignored me.Let me get this straight then... you want me to answer the question of evidence. You don't remember how very many frikkin times I've answered that question for you to blandly repeat the exact same question over and over again in response, with no retort, ad infinitum:
(September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I really want to know: How are we going to discuss this if you're unwilling to evidence your position and you're just going to state how it only makes sense to you, and other Christians? Where's the discussion there? It's just you asserting that it makes sense to you but not us atheists! In which case, how do we discuss?!
(September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: You have to evidence why it's any different to any other belief. Otherwise how are we going to discuss?
(September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: And if you're going to just assert that it only makes sense to you and other Christians, and you're not willing to actually backup your postion at all with evidence, then that's close-minded if anything is! You call that a discussion?!
All I see above is a bland repetitious demand for evidence, yet again. THIS IS FUCKING BORING EVIE. You can't discuss choice... understand how I can say there is a choice because you can't step out of your tiny mind and listen to another POV for a change. It's like you're afraid that by listening and trying to understand it'll be seen as some kind of weakness in your position, but what it actually shows is the exact opposite.. that you're frightened to even consider anything outside your comfort zone because you have that weak a grasp on it.
I could sum up your entire argument in one simple statement. There's no need for such a stream of meaningless waffle that pours from your fingers.
Evie's statement of belief: "There is no choice of belief because the dictionary definition of belief is wrong: Belief is only possible through evidence."
Now stick that in your sig and SHUT THE FUK UP.

(September 2, 2009 at 12:08 pm)Saerules Wrote: How can he read your posts daily, EvF, and still be religious? I know i couldn't do it...
That's because you're a mindless twat Saerules.
(September 2, 2009 at 7:49 am)MetalVampire Wrote: I think it could be a choice, if you have enough evidence to back up what your saying, you might be able to prove god doesn't exist, and change peoples minds.What evidence - type of evidence would that be then MV? God cannot be proven to exist, that's how God is defined. You may call that bullshit, or claim what is the best argument of non believers: that some fairytale of science will come along with it's magic wand and prove it some day. The intelligent people understand the concept of a non existent God. Stupid people believe in magic like the science theory.
Like if a Christian really looked into it, they might be able to see how much of a fairy story it is, if they wanted to. Most would just blank it out though, wouldn't want to believe that there isn't a god, and wouldn't be able to accept it.
so in that sense, it is like a choice.
But if you don't believe in god, i don't think you could just choose to believe, because It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't in a million years be able to believe it, because it sounds like the ramblings of someone on LSD
So I agree with you 100%. Belief with evidence makes no sense whatsoever. Belief without evidence is sorta the point.