RE: Deism for non-believers
June 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm
(This post was last modified: June 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm by FallentoReason.)
(June 9, 2012 at 10:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Quote:Yeah I guess my description is still very broad. It's considerably more plausible than the gods you have mentioned though, right? We could still keep adding attributes that can be tested to see if they violate reason itself.
Mental masturbation is not reason. Reason is the ability to kick your ideas with real tools like scientific method. And the history of scientific method is leaving no room for a deity of any kind.
All I hear you doing here is say "Let me make something up, and see if it works".
You don't simply make something up. You go with prior established data and then work with that with standard established tools to test and falsify it. There has never been any credible data for a god, not even a generic one.
Making things up is how science works to a degree at first. The Bohr model of an atom was 'mental masturbation' to begin with. Niels Bohr literally sat down and defined what an atom would be like. This thread is no different and by the sounds of what you see as problems for a god (which I tend to agree with) has shown me that your threshold is somewhere in the area of a non-material god that doesn't intervene in the universe.
The implication of the OP for you is this: can you give a reason why the god above can't exist and therefore pushing the dial further down the scale?
(June 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Quote: Can science explain why I decided to kick it?
Evolution. If you had no brain you could not decide to kick it.
Evolution essentially gave me the ability to perform the action. It didn't give me a reason for wanting to kick it.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle