(June 11, 2012 at 7:11 am)apophenia Wrote: From http://www.errantskeptics.org, cited by Astro as an authority on dating John:
Is 'Astro' another one of your attempts at a burn?
(Don't answer that...)Seriously though, I was pointing to the long sourced list of a variety of estimations from scholars, and to be sure I got 2 other links on top of that.
No educated person says the Apocalypse of John came before the Pauline Epistles.
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
