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Deism for non-believers
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RE: Deism for non-believers



Unlike many physicists before him, who insisted that great breakthroughs in physics be firmly grounded in experimental data, Dirac took the opposite strategy. To him pure mathematics, if it was beautiful enough, was the sure guide to great breakthroughs. He wrote, "It is more important to have beauty in one's equations than to have them fit experiments . . . It seems that if one is working from the point of view of getting beauty in one's equations, and if one has a really sound insight, one is on a sure line of progress."

— Physics Of The Impossible, Michio Kaku

I'm not of the opinion that there's anything ontologically distinctive about math and numbers, but then I wouldn't lean towards Quine's belief that mathematical concepts are derived empirically either. Philosophy of math gets into some serious shit, and like many of the purely theoretical sciences, there are more dead ends than hopeful avenues. Whatever, it's beyond me. I would lean toward a Kantian, underdetermined functionalism — numbers and math are abstractions built into our cognitions to allow us to map input behaviors to output behaviors in a probabilistic manner, without us having to figure out how the mathematical relationships between the environment and the life form actually work. In that sense, a number like '4' is a reference to a number of behavioral invariants, such that the invariants, like composition of functions, yields appropriate behaviors in response to contemplation of, and combination of, concepts.


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Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - June 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Ace Otana - June 10, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 7:42 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Ace Otana - June 10, 2012 at 8:00 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Tempus - June 10, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 10, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Adjusted Sanity - June 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Adjusted Sanity - June 9, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Norfolk And Chance - June 10, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Adjusted Sanity - June 10, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 9, 2012 at 10:59 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Faith No More - June 9, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 10, 2012 at 12:01 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by cratehorus - June 10, 2012 at 12:05 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 10, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 12:30 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 1:19 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 10, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 4:37 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 10, 2012 at 5:07 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 10, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 10, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 10, 2012 at 6:07 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 6:30 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 10, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 6:34 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 10, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Ace Otana - June 10, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 10, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 10:14 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 12, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Colanth - June 15, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 10, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:43 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 11, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 12, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 11, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Brian37 - June 11, 2012 at 9:06 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 12, 2012 at 12:52 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Skepsis - June 12, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Mister Agenda - June 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 17, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 17, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 18, 2012 at 6:00 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 19, 2012 at 2:23 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 19, 2012 at 4:15 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 19, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 19, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - June 19, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by FallentoReason - June 23, 2012 at 6:44 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Faith No More - June 22, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by Angrboda - June 24, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Deism for non-believers - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm

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