(June 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm)apophenia Wrote: Oh, I think the simple answer is that I don't know what I'm talking about. I've glanced at some stuff, but I'm very ignorant of the subject. I will say, however, even though I'm grossly ignorant of the subject, from what I've read, I think you're being overly charitable toward Quine.
Anyway, for some irrational reason I like Quine. However, my bailiwick is cognitive science, psychology, theory of discourses and epistemology. And I'm pretty ignorant even on those subjects. So this is just a novice spitballing, not an educated opinion.
Take anything I have said or will say with a grain of salt, because even in your professed ignorance you likely have much more background than I in anything rooted in philosophy.
I have trouble getting through the first chapter of Being and Nothingness, so I am not in any way a source for philsophical musings. Hell, I'm not even 18. I haven't taken a course in philosophy in my life, and only freshman level college courses. Everything I know comes from my own study and my debate courses.
That said, if I was charitable towards Quine a you suggest, it was only because my only background in Quine is what you had written in your post. I have read a bit of Mr.Immanuel and his observations on sense-perception, but even there I am spotty. Takes a bit of passion, a pinch of patience, and quite a fair share of brains to understand what some philosophers are trying to say, especially those that scorn the layman.
I do, however, have an expansive and ever-growing vocabulary, which is why I have to salute you for making me look up "bailiwick". Wow.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell