RE: Absolute Truth
June 28, 2012 at 11:03 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2012 at 11:23 am by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(June 27, 2012 at 6:09 pm)apophenia Wrote:
Love the post, Taqiyya. However, the first step of "Debating A Christian" can be reformulated as a variant of the liar's paradox, which is not a good thing, I don't think.....
It would take a helluva disingenuous stretch to call that a "liar's paradox".
(June 27, 2012 at 7:15 am)apophenia Wrote: I think Chuck has the right of it: the first question, foremost, is "What is truth?" Whether it's relative or absolute cannot be answered, indeed has no definition, until the first question is answered.
And as regards that first question, philosophers are still trading a round of 'lolwut's'. Much as I love me some Cinjin, I must respectfully disagree about the value of philosophy.
....because.....it's your Thang...?
Quote: The utility of a field is not always measured in how many new toasters it puts out per minute.
Nice straw man. Please show where anyone asserted that.
Quote: Philosophy has been wrestling with hard questions, and there is no shame, even after all this time, to admit, "we just don't know."
Can you name any atheists or agnostics here who claim otherwise?
Quote:If more people could, we'd have a saner world. I think the anti-philosophy views are a valid reflection of the maxim that people are happier with a simple lie than a complex truth.
Nice straw man. WE are the ones championing the freedom of saying we don't know. And part of the problem with philosophy is that its proponents tend to claim they DO KNOW what they clearly don't. You are trying to hang the sins of your own on us. NO thanks.
Quote: Though perhaps it is a simple matter of professional allegiance; I am not in an ideal position to judge.
I think that has everything to do with it.
Quote:.... And if you are one of those who spurns philosophy and its confusions, all that likely means is that you have embraced defective notions without knowing it in your eagerness to spurn us eggheads, and to cling to your ignorance.
Bullshit. That is just your Courtier's Reply after being called on your Emperor of Philosophy having no fucking Clothes.
Quote:What's the solution? As with any other science: keep working the problem, and hope the answers come sooner than later.
Which is PRECISELY the agnostic/atheistic approach. You think this is something new and revealing that you are lecturing at us? Go out and buy yourself a CLUE.
