RE: Why do you not believe in God?
July 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm by Mystic.)
(July 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm)jerNYC Wrote:Quote:Infinite time for the an assumed material cause, would not allow it to change and be the cause, therefore it's better to assume it's timeless, although can have relationship to time once time is created. A material non-magical entity, cannot make time to begin and cause all the laws with time to begin.
Therefore a magic super being had to make time and the laws with time to begin. Now if we go by reality is simple/indivisible, we can say it has to be intelligent and powerful, but these only can be simple and not divisible when they are ultimate.
I'm confused by your response. It seems like you're going into the argument already assuming that "cause" might potentially turn out to be some sort of god. To me, "cause" simply means a mechanical action. The argument merely tries to prove that the universe began with an action. It says nothing more than that, so it's illogical to assume that the action might be a god.
1. Everything that has a beginning has an initial cause
2. The universe has a beginning
3. Therefore the universe has an initial cause
The argument is pretty simple and can easily be proved formally.
Yeah I hear ya, but the universe/material causes/x/mechanical cause before change/motion, would be standing still for infinite time before if time didn't begin which would mean it can't really jump start the universe, but if time began, then something must have caused time and the laws that come with time, which a material non-magical cause cannot, therefore it makes sense a magical cause did, which has super powers, to cause time and to cause the laws that come with time, and it has to be timeless.