(August 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm)theVOID Wrote: Bullshit! Slavery is not moral. Genocide is not moral. ... And no, 'unbelievers' do not approach the book with prejudice.
Speaking of contradictions! (Look up the word 'prejudice'.)
(August 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm)theVOID Wrote: (1) God created Adam and Eve at the same time. (2) God created Adam ... [then] God took his rib and made Eve.
This is precisely the point Frodo is making, which keeps sailing high over your head. Contradictions are illegitimately forced upon the text, not genuinely found within the text. There is a reason he will not engage these exquisitely retarded allegations: because the fact that they are NOT contradictions is too patently obvious. Just look at this fatuous canard of yours exactly here. Nowhere in Genesis 1:26-27 does it say God created them "at the same time." In order to maintain a contradiction, that had to be forced upon the text. There is no contradiction, until after your egregious feculence has rearranged the text to create one.
You shouldn't even be allowed to use the word logic.
(August 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm)theVOID Wrote: If you're going to turn around and claim that [contradictions] exist because man is infallible and messed up or ... [snip rest]
Seriously? Do you even read his posts, McFly? He did not suggest that he can make excuses for their existence. He said they don't even exist in the first place. Considering the embarrassingly poor job you do at ensuring your posts make sense, it is monstrously ironic hearing you criticize the job God does over his.
(August 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm)theVOID Wrote: We will change our beliefs if they are proven to be incorrect.
Considering your horrifically incorrect butchering of Genesis 1:26-27, we shall see if you mean that.
(August 30, 2009 at 2:52 am)Saerules Wrote: If that is not proof of contradiction ... then may I inquire as to what a contradiction is?
A contradiction occurs when (i) two propositions, taken together, yield two conclusions which form the logical inversions of each other, and (ii) they are both affirmed as true in the same respect and at the same time. For example, if the proposition is, "The Father is greater than I," then its denial would be, "The Father is not greater than I," and a contradiction would occur if those two propositions were both affirmed as true at the same time and in the same respect.
There is no contradiction between (1) "I and the Father are one" and (2) "the Father is greater than I" because the Father is 'greater' in one respect while they are 'one' in another respect. The two statements are not logical inversions of each other (i.e., if the former is P, in no sense is the latter ¬P). In order to affirm this as a contradiction, you have to force upon the text that their being 'one' and the Father being 'greater' are being affirmed in the same respect, because it is not found within the text itself. Contradictions forced upon the text instead of being derived from the text is blatantly illegitimate.
The reason Frodo appears to exhibit a "Refusal to Discuss symptom" is because even a first-year philosophy student knows what a real contradiction is, and can see that there are none. Remember, a contradiction requires at the very least a logical inversion (i.e., P and ¬P), and then a demonstration from within the text itself that they are both affirmed as true at the same time and in the same respect.
(September 2, 2009 at 4:08 pm)Tiberius Wrote: A strawman argument is where you refute an argument that bears no resemblance to what was argued. ...
Sorry, just a small correction: it can also bear a vague resemblence. I cannot remember where I had read it—it may have been David H. Lund's Making Sense of It All: An Introduction to Philosophical Inquiry—but I heard the Straw Man fallacy described most clearly as attacking an argument that is "different from or weaker than your opponent's actual or best argument." It is evaluated as the contrary of the principle of intellectual charity, which is about confronting your opponent's argument as it's actually affirmed or the strongest version of it.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)