RE: An UNBIASED summary of the candidates' views?
July 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2012 at 2:54 pm by Darth.)
(July 8, 2012 at 2:04 pm)5thHorseman Wrote:(July 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm)Stue Denim Wrote: They are both politicians, they'll say one thing and do another. They have both now been leaders and had a chance to at least try to make some changes, so I'd look at what they've done so far and whether that squares with their past promises, rather than what they promise to do in the future or say they believe.
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Also, they are pretty much the same person.
Utter rubbish. Read the civil liberties link i put on. Then look at their economic ideas, like the $447bn jobs bill Congress wouldn't pass, they didnt like the idea of massive employment. Then look at what Romney wants to do......... cut taxes, shock. Cut jobs, cut funding...... cut cut cut cut, and it will miraculously create jobs. Oh wait no, it'll shrink economy, increase unemployment and make the rich, richer.
Totally different no matter what your dog awful press says.
What has Obama DONE on civil liberties? I don't much care what Romney has SAID he will do as he pandered to a bunch of raving lunatics in the primary (not that I trust or like the git, I will hate nearly every policy he comes up with, I just recognise that they will change).
NDAA
Indefinite detention
patriot act
ANOTHER war (surely Romney is entitled to one if Obama is? =P).
Free speech (zones) and protests.
Wikileaks prosecution.
californian weed (the whole war on drugs for that matter).
The bailouts, worse than socialism, corprotitism, privatising the gains and socialising the losses, and done in the worst possible way.
Gitmo
TSA
NSA
gay marriage support now after how long?
surveillance and privacy
Quote:"Freedom To Marry For Gay Couples (Read more on this)
Barack Obama's Rating:
Three Torches
§ Instructed the Justice Department in February 2011 to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act;
§ Opposes a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage but does not support marriage equality;
§ Supports civil unions."
3/4 for THAT?
Quote:"Government Funded Religion (Read more on this)
Barack Obama's Rating:
Two Torches
§ 2011: Opposed reauthorization of a private and religious school voucher program in Washington, DC.
§ 2009: Expanded the federal government’s faith-based program.
§ 2008: Promised important changes to strengthen the constitutionality of faith-based initiatives but, since 2011, has failed to make any changes, including addressing the issue of whether faith-based grantees can hire and fire individuals based on religion."
2/4 for THAT?
Quote:Humane Immigration Policy (Read more on this)
Barack Obama's Rating:
Two Torches
§ Expanded “Secure Communities,” an enforcement program designed to arrest and deport undocumented criminals but that has resulted in racial profiling and the arrest of thousands of innocent immigrants and U.S. citizens;
§ Continued building a border fence and increased the border security budget and added more border patrol agents;
§ Opposes Arizona’s anti-immigrant SB 1070, which criminalizes the lack of immigration papers, gives police broad authority to arrest people and promotes racial profiling, as a law that undermines “fairness” and “trust.”;
§ Supports the DREAM Act, which provides access to higher education and military service to many, regardless of immigrant status;
§ Deported 1.1 million people in three years, the most of any administration.
2/4 for THAT?
They are just giving him torches
Ill get to the economics, romney's performance, and the jobs act tomorrow, it's late.
(from the more in depth candidate report, thinking its out of date what with obama's positions having evolved (and at such a convenient time as well)) http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/candidates/barack-obama