RE: Trying to see the "positive" of Christianity.
July 8, 2012 at 5:49 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2012 at 6:03 pm by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(July 7, 2012 at 2:15 am)Godschild Wrote: John 8:12 ...Jesus spoke to them, saying, I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.
Ephesians 5:7 Therefore do not associate with them; 8) for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9) for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true, 10) and try and discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11) Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
1st John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. 6) If we say we have fellowship with Him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7) But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8) If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us....
1st John 2:9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10) Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11) But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
(July 7, 2012 at 1:51 am)Staccato Wrote: If you read the Bible and take the good stuff from there (don't kill, don't steal, love your neighbour, help the poor etc.) that can be viewed as positive Christianity. But once you get to the part where you start to believe in anti-gay, anti-abortion and so on...thing start to get negative.
They were not negative for a few thousand years, the God of the Bible has not changed and neither has His word, people have changed and IMO for the worse. Shouldn't what has stood as truth for thousands of tears still hold true, the ones you named above has not been changed by man, why have the ones you refer to as negative.
I was under the impression that proselytizing, especially of this sort, was not allowed in this forum...?
(July 8, 2012 at 4:28 am)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 7, 2012 at 2:38 am)Minimalist Wrote: No. Primitive bigoted horseshit needs to be exposed as primitive bigoted horseshit and eliminated from the modern world.
Straw man. Where did anyone argue, "Primitive bigoted horseshit does not need to be exposed as primitive bigoted horseshit", or "Primitive bigoted horseshit doesn't need to be eliminated from the modern world"?
Rather, the question is whether Christianity can be accurately characterized as 'primitive bigoted horseshit'. (Disclaimer: We all fucking know what you think the right answer is. What happens in reasoned discussions is that you explain the reasoning behind your answer.)
Quote:The days of your dark superstitions are over.
Yes, our sad devotion to that ancient religion haven't helped us to conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given us clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels hidden fortr--
"In the beginning, gawd made the heavens and the earth" -- primitive.
"Gawd hates Fags" -- bigoted.
"Our superstitions are relevant to the modern world" -- horseshit.
QED.
(July 8, 2012 at 5:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In the dogma I learnt all scripture is inspired.
WTF does that even mean? It's just word salad.
