(July 7, 2012 at 2:40 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: All I use is the basic logical principle that something cannot cause itself to exist and the scientific evidence for an absolute beginning to the universe, and there is a good argument for God.
I would have thought this was a problem for gods existing, not an argument in favor. How exactly does God get away with causing Himself to exist?
(July 7, 2012 at 2:40 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: However, even if the Kalaam cosmological argument fails, and all others for God do too, all that would follow would be that we have no argument to prove God exists… not that we cannot know God exists or that he does not exist.
Agreed. In the absence of evidence and arguments based on the same it is disingenuous to attempt to persuade another person to adopt your beliefs. You may reasonably hold what beliefs you will but then I reserve the same right for myself. Or you could try rhetoric and deception .. if you have the moral IQ of a rodent.
