(July 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(July 11, 2012 at 9:28 am)Thor Wrote: So when this deity is drowning babies, turning people into pillars of salt, killing firstborn sons or telling us that we can keep slaves, this is all "Good"?
Quote:Absolutly, 100% Yes.

Like I said, it's fun to make believers defend the most absurd aspects of their religion.
Quote:Again the 'deeds' them selves hold no intrensic value.
So drowning babies is "good" as long as your deity wills it? WOW! Makes me think of something I read somewhere:
Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.
Kind of appropriate, I'd say...
Quote:It is the will of God the makes a deed 'good or bad.'
If your deity drowns babies and kills innocent people, it is not worthy of worship.
Quote:By this standard, if this deity told you to kill your children, wouldn't refusing to do so be "wrong"?
Quote:The story of aberham confrims that it would be wrong to refuse God in this circumstance. So Yes.
This is scary because there have been people who have killed (or attempted to kill) their children and they claimed they were instructed to do so by God. Glad I'm not your kid. If you had some sort of hallucination you would obviously be ready to pick up a knife and plunge it in my chest.
Quote:And how the hell are we supposed to know what is in the "expressed will" of this deity?
Quote:"Expressed" as in written.. Or Recorded in the Bible.
And we all know that everyone agrees on interpreting things written in the Babble....
Quote:Is stem cell research right or wrong?
Quote:Where do you get the stem cells? It is a sin to kill children for them.
We don't get stem cells by killing children.
Quote:What about using birth control?
Quote:Birth Control was used then, and there is no command against it. (Speak where the bible Speaks and remain silent where the bible is silent.)
The Cathoholic Church does not agree with you.
Quote: Premarital sex?
Quote:Sex outside of the bounds of a santified marriage is always a sin.
Where does the Babble say this?
Quote:Gambling?
Quote:The act itself is not a sin, but the love of money is.
Where does the Babble say this?
Quote:If some say yes and some say no, and both are right,
This does not square with what you said here:
Quote:Because the Expressed will of God is very clear.
If the expressed will of this deity is "very clear", how can people have two different interpretations of it?
Quote: doesn't that point to a freedom beyond the confines of a soceitial based 'morality?'
No. It points to how utterly ridiculous your Babble is.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?