RE: Positive claims and atheists
July 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(July 11, 2012 at 12:17 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote:(July 10, 2012 at 11:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: So?
That something appears self-evident to you says nothing about it's status in reality. Claims of self-evidence are only convincing to those who also find said claims self-evident, unsurprisingly.
Which, incidentally, still leaves the burden of proof firmly on your shoulders.
You don't think it is self-evident that Santa does not exist? if not, what evidence do you base your belief on that there is no Santa?
It is precisely as self-evident as your gawd not existing is. No difference at all.
(July 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I get so fucking sick of this argument/debate. I do not believe that gods exist, because I have never encountered a reason to. Add to that the few places that science has left gods to hide in, and I can easily proclaim that I believe that gods do not exist.
I said "believe" and that carries no burden of proof. If I claimed to know that no gods exist, I could be expected to have some convincing evidence, but all I said is that I "believe" they do not.
Same goes for theists. You can believe whatever you choose and not be required to prove it, but don't go thinking I have to believe it too. Try to tell me that your god does, indeed, exist... and you got some provin' to do.