RE: Modern examples of gullibility as evidence against Christian claims
July 13, 2012 at 3:40 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2012 at 4:04 am by Undeceived.)
(July 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: 'Tradition' would disagree with you about Mark. He was a disciple of Peter and NOT Jesus. Matthew and John are written in 3rd person. Please explain.All Jewish histories were written in 3rd person. The epistles (letters) of Paul were not histories, but the Gospels were obviously intended to be. A 1st person account of Jesus would be a big red flag.
According to the tradition I know, John Mark/ Mark the Evangelist/ Mark the Writer was one of the "Seventy Disciples" Jesus sent out (Luke 10:1). It probably came from historian Hippolytus, who stated exactly that. Mark is also thought to be the young man who fled from the Garden of Gethsemane ( http://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-fled-naked.html ).
A good article on eyewitnesses:
http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread...-Peter-and-
Quote:Mark has the least incredible miracles and almost no supernatural content AND not to mention no resurrection accounts."Least incredible" is a matter of opinion. There are at least nineteen, including feeding five thousand, walking on water, stilling a storm, healing hundreds, raising a dead girl to life, casting out demons, and raising Jesus from the tomb (full list: http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/jmrcls.html ) Jesus clearly dies. Then in 16:5, a “young man dressed in a white robe” tells the two women, “Don’t be alarmed. You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”
This is before 16:9-20, which skeptics like to argue was added later. How does a missing body and testimony not imply resurrection? Mark had a Roman writing style—state the facts and let the reader interpret the meaning. The fact the stone was rolled away is a miracle in itself ( http://www.bbc.edu/journal/volume6_1/res...omacki.pdf ).
Quote:Jesus and his 12 disciples = sun and the 12 zodiac signs. They most likely know about Christianity's Pagan roots.The number 12 comes from the Old Testament. 12 patriarchs, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 pillars, ect. Genesis was written around 1000 B.C. The division of the stars/constellations into the 12 zodiacal signs did not occur until the Babylonians made the divisions around the fifth century B.C.
(July 12, 2012 at 9:53 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Theologically, why would God send a mediocre Messiah that no one was expecting?http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/snot...e0602.html
Jesus came with one purpose: to die for our sins and inspire a divine romance between us and Him. Announcing Himself to the world would no more bring love than our becoming a celebrity. When Peter rebuked Jesus for predicting a horrible death, Jesus replied, “Get behind me, Satan! You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men" (Mark 8:33).
