RE: Modern examples of gullibility as evidence against Christian claims
July 13, 2012 at 1:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm by Undeceived.)
(July 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm)Thor Wrote: If there is no evidence for what you believe, your beliefs are not based on "reason". They are based on.... nothing.There are grounds. Your definition of 'evidence' was scientific method evidence, which requires being able to replicate a situation and get the same results over and over. That is not sort of evidence Christianity operates by--no one expected it to. Historical evidence is God coming down in human form and having several people attest to it. That, with the conviction of the Holy Spirit in my heart, convinces me. With the Holy Spirit, everything begins to make sense. You could call me insane, but 2 billion other Christians have experienced this same exact breach of human logic. It's God's logic.
(July 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: we've got hearsay on top of anonymous hearsay.“Just so” claims aren’t strong arguments. Imagine you are in a court of law investigating a murder. You have four witnesses for the murder and none against. The prosecution—never present at the murder—claims that all four witnesses are liars. What will the verdict be?
Quote:cross-reference some of the OT that Matt references and you see that ol Matt is lying his ass off.Example?
Quote:Three words: Mark chapter 16.Please explain. What are the discrepancies?
Quote:The lines between fiction, urban legend and "true story" are all a lot more fuzzy than we might think, even in the modern age.Example? And has anyone staked their life on the authenticity of that example? A cross-check would easily show Dan Brown wrong. People could cross-check in the 1st century too. Literature was all over the place, even though most of it hasn't survived. This is the Roman Empire we’re talking about, and one of the best educational systems in the Roman Empire. All males were sent to school and could read and write. Those who couldn’t listened to the Rabbi in the synagogue. With a Jewish Rabbi in their ears, they’d be less likely to believe in a messianic Jesus. The Gentiles (Greeks) were the same way. Empirical science was birthed in Athens with Aristotle. The Greeks had multiple gods they had worshiped their whole lives and quizzed Paul until dusk--some even trying to kill him in Ephesus because he threatened their idol-making business.
Quote:Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.Several billion Christians believe the evidence is extraordinary enough. God did not set out to prove to everyone an event. He set out to divide those who love Him from those who do not.