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[Kyuuketsuki]

Yes, morality is an ethical system, ethics are defined by society and are relative to it. What's more it is quite evidence (even using your own bible as an historical source) that morality changes over time.

So the ethics defined by the Nazis were relative to it. Could you honestly oppose such a society? How?

I think what the Nazi's did was horrendous but part of the reason I do so is because I have been bought up in a society that has taught me that such things are wrong, yes I have subsequently validated those views but that is nevertheless true. As to whether what the Nazi's did is objectively wrong I would say no because there were (obviously) many Nazis' that agreed with what they were doing, many others who stayed silent and a few (in my opinion heroes) who acted against them. Quite obviously may in that society DID find what was being done to the Jews in their name morally acceptable although I accept that relatively few knew the true horrors of the camps. I have no idea what was actually going on inside the minds of those who supported what was happening and I'd rather not delve in such dark places any more than I want to really know what goes on inside a theists head.

As I'll always ask - care to back up your claim at all - this time about the Bible and morphing morality?

Genocide is regarded as wrong today (hence our reaction to The Holocaust) but it apparently wasn't wrong for your murderous god.

Murder is a legal concept (the illegal killing of an individual) and only reflects morality in a rights based society. According to your bible genocide, indeed the wiping out of an entire world's population all bar 8, was justifiable in moral terms.

Are you saying that murder could be fine by you, if a society defined it as such (like the Nazis did) or not?

That isn't what I said, I said murder was a legal concept i.e. the illegal killing of a person ... that isn't to say I don't personally believe other forms of killings are wrong.

Can a person be legally killed (as in the Biblical example)? What are you getting at exactly?

A person can be legally killed yes, it's known as the death penalty and (legal or not) I don't agree with it.

As in the bible? Given that I dispute your biblical claim that a god exists I am hardly going to accept that god's dictates as legal now am I?

Be plain, if you will.

What do you think you are? A fucking Quaker?

Kyu