(July 19, 2012 at 2:12 am)Minimalist Wrote: But we do know that the effects of the desisions Paul made weren't for those directly in Jerusalem.So? He spent very little time in Jersalem
Quote:Which still fails to answer the question of why Judaeans would give a rat's ass, either way?Jews wouldn't would they, as they still observed the OT laws.
But all Gentiles who were looking to make the Change to Christianity would especially if Messanic Jews were telling them to first get circumsized first.
Quote:Oddly, the Ebionites.... a supposedly heretical group of xtians who clung to mosaic law were first mentioned by Justin Martyr in the mid-2d century and later by Irenaeas at the end of the 2d century.So?
Quote:What has any of that got to do with Jews in the middle of the first?You tell me.
Quote: If this was such a problem it certainly argues against the authority of these so-called church fathers being able to get people to listen to them?The second century Church suffered from problems like no other church did before or after. For none of the orginal Apstoles were left alive and there wasn't a compliation of all of the apstoles teachings to guide them. Which as the problem progressed and spread promted the powers that be to complie the written words of the apstoles before they were all destroyed or lost. Hence the bible.
Quote:What excuse will you care to make up for this?They did not have any direction from the Apstoles Verbally written or otherwise.
Quote:Oh, and one other minor point...... that same "Justin Martyr?" The one who wrote so much? He never mentions anyone named "Paul."Actually He did when He rewrote or reinterperted 1 Cor 15:50. Plus on further review he kinda denies the deity of Christ which excludes him from being a practicing christian anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr
Quote:Isn't that odd?Not really given his recorded wiki agenda.
