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As time goes by
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RE: As time goes by
(September 7, 2009 at 2:05 am)padraic Wrote: A moral relativist I reject the notion of moral absolutes and any moral authority other than individual conscience.

Ok, I guess that means as an individual I get to decide what's moral. Based off some story I heard: Is that your stereo over there buddy? I'll be taking that now, whether you want me to or not. See ya later, and don't try to enforce your rules on me as I walk out with the stereo.

padraic Wrote:I accept LEGAL authority TO A DEGREE, but not absolutely. It's in my best interest to do so for the most part and from fear of punishment (EG I REALLY do not want to go to prison to become the wife of a 300 pound biker called "House" )

Ok then, me too - except I don't fear punishment so much. I like your stereo, thanks. I will die for this stereo if I have to.

padraic Wrote:Not only do I assert that morality changes with time, I assert it changes constantly with circumstances. This principle is called "the ends justify the means" and is how the world REALLY works. Such a principle was also accepted and encouraged by YHWH, as even a casual glance the Torah will show.

Yea, I guess that's why YHWH wrote a set of commands in stone. By the way, as you make all these assertions will you realize the importance of support? Now, I believe that I get to have your stereo, thanks - don't get in my way please. It wasn't always your stereo anyway - before you had it the store had it, and before that the factory...now it's my turn I believe.

padraic Wrote:"What do atheists worship?" is a meaningless question. Atheism is a position of disbelief only ,not a religion or ideology. NOTHING is implied (suggested) or many be inferred (concluded) from that position.

I expect its not as meaningless as you think. Now I know atheists don't worship God - the disbelief suggests that specifically, and I think I'm safe to come to that conclusion - so what do they worship (consider most important)? (in case you were wondering - I was fishing for information there from individual atheists).

padraic Wrote:SOME atheists may worship power,wealth, their spouse, or a political leader.(or anything else they choose) Those things have nothing to do with atheism, and everything to do with individual psychological needs.

Ah, atheists do worship something after all. First you say the question is meaningless, then you go on and answer it...well, so be it. And, of course what they worship is related to their atheism - otherwise you might find atheists worshiping God.

padraic Wrote:I have no need to worship anything or anyone...The purpose of life to me is itself and that is enough. I love life and enjoy every day. I try not to judge or criticise those who see life differently,as long as they stay out of my face. I have only contempt for proselytisers,ranging from the loopiest evangelicals to the militant atheist who wants to destroy religion and gets upset when I disagree...

So you don't think anything is most important. You don't have a highest "reason for living". The purpose of life is life - that sounds redundant - perhaps you should put it in other words? Anyway, does anything else work like that - e.g. I work to work (not make money), I play to play (not to have fun), I eat to eat (not to get nourishment, I sleep to sleep (not to get rest), I talk to talk (not to communicate)?
Well, here you are proselytizing me, how contemptuous. Why would you chime in except to sell your own way of thinking? No one even asked you to participate you just jumped right in and began praising your way, and making my way look bad. Is the purpose of your disagreement just to disagree? Needless to say, I don't understand your way of thinking.
(September 7, 2009 at 2:13 am)Darwinian Wrote:
Quote:What does an atheist hold in high esteem or worship?

Are you saying that without theism life for you wouldn't be worth living?

Yes, that's what I mean.

Darwinism Wrote:That a world full of mystery and wonder, the fascination of finding out how things work and the love of family and friends would simply not be enough for you?

Exactly. Why avoid explaining the mystery of what is known? Why do you insist on ignorance?

Darwinism Wrote:And what is worship and why should anyone want to worship anything? And why for that matter, would anything demand to be worshiped?

Well, by worship I mean hold in highest regard - what's most important? Why would you avoid considering something of the highest importance? If you actually did that, you might get stuck on a decision - and die from inaction.
Why would anything demand to be worshiped? If I thought God demanded worship, how could I reconcile it to the fact that you (among others) seem to get away with resisting His demand so easily?
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Messages In This Thread
As time goes by - by Darwinian - September 5, 2009 at 4:17 am
RE: As time goes by - by theVOID - September 5, 2009 at 4:43 am
RE: As time goes by - by Samson - September 5, 2009 at 2:57 pm
RE: As time goes by - by bozo - September 5, 2009 at 3:17 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 10:02 am
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 11:59 am
RE: As time goes by - by Tiberius - September 6, 2009 at 12:04 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 1:18 pm
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 6, 2009 at 12:29 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 6, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 7, 2009 at 12:47 am
RE: As time goes by - by theVOID - September 7, 2009 at 4:15 am
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 7, 2009 at 5:15 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 7, 2009 at 8:28 am
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 8, 2009 at 1:17 am
RE: As time goes by - by padraic - September 7, 2009 at 2:05 am
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 7, 2009 at 11:37 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 2:57 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 7, 2009 at 11:16 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 6, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 6, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Minimalist - September 6, 2009 at 4:54 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 7, 2009 at 1:23 am
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 7, 2009 at 11:08 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Darwinian - September 7, 2009 at 2:13 am
RE: As time goes by - by Minimalist - September 7, 2009 at 2:24 am
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 8, 2009 at 12:23 am
RE: As time goes by - by theVOID - September 8, 2009 at 2:32 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 8, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 8, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 5:31 am
RE: As time goes by - by padraic - September 7, 2009 at 6:26 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 7, 2009 at 7:19 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 8, 2009 at 12:14 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 8, 2009 at 12:38 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 8, 2009 at 2:06 am
RE: As time goes by - by ecolox - September 8, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: As time goes by - by theVOID - September 9, 2009 at 8:01 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 8, 2009 at 5:57 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2009 at 6:35 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 8, 2009 at 9:24 pm
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 3:25 am
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 9, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 4:26 am
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 8:16 am
RE: As time goes by - by theVOID - September 8, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 12:11 am
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 3:28 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 9, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: As time goes by - by Darwinian - September 9, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 6:31 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 9, 2009 at 6:46 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 8:16 am
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 8:18 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: As time goes by - by Retorth - September 9, 2009 at 9:30 am
RE: As time goes by - by leo-rcc - September 9, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: As time goes by - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 10:28 am
RE: As time goes by - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 10:45 pm
RE: As time goes by - by Edwardo Piet - September 9, 2009 at 10:49 pm

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