RE: As time goes by
September 8, 2009 at 2:06 am
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2009 at 2:52 am by Retorth.)
ecolox Wrote:So, it looks like my usage of the word works, you just missed it. See - "...or to any object [as in objective, purpose] regarded as sacred [as in important]..." - what is your important purpose in life?
I already said so from the start. Perhaps your usage of words needs improvement.
ecolox Wrote:but I'm sure you worship something
This is probably where the misunderstanding came in.
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ecolox Wrote:Yes, of course - God allows suffering. I hope the family would seek to please God - just as I hope I would do if in their shoes. I send money to help people just like that, I wish I could do far more. Also, I believe God wants me to care for people in need.
But people still die everyday of causes that can be prevented. They ask to be saved but die horrible deaths, so how you can go to church every week, worship and thank some almighty power for what you have in your life, despite all the suffering around is beyond me. I respect your affirmation, I just don't think it makes sense one bit.
ecolox Wrote:So you're going to let those hungry Africans starve to death? Me and Jesus disapprove.
I do not understand your response. I said:
Retorth Wrote:I don't live for my enemies. I do not go around making enemies either. I recognize that there will always be assholes in this world but I don't go finding trouble.
And now you say I am letting hungry Africans starve? Africans aren't my enemies. I do not have any enemies. Please try and make some sense.
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Retorth Wrote:You narrow minded atheists block God out, if only you could open up your mind to the immensity of the creator of the universe. Look at people as made in the image of God, worthy of love and respect.
How can I open up my mind to the idea of an imaginary being that doesn't exist? Why do I say he doesn't exist? I'll share with you:
Quote:What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.
Your god has yet to prove himself to us. The only prove you have is in your bible which in itself is not infallible proof. Its contents is questionable at best.
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You are the one living for nothing though, because you cannot explain with even a shred of solid evidence why you even exist! Umm, what is a thousand years to God? Be patient, yet vigilant - or He will surprise you even more that you could imagine.[/quote]
I already told you what I live for. Please read above. All the entities I live for are here, very real, are all around me, and are close to my heart. I am not the one basing my life on an imaginary being. Its as simple as that. Your only retort is to tell me I live for nothing if not for god. Please attempt a better explanation.
[quote='ecolox Wrote:Ha-ha, you atheists will never take on the burden of explaining anything important. Like I said, I can't imagine how I could exist, if God does not. With no God, there can be no purpose. Why do you think you exist - don't say "for no reason", because that wouldn't be rational. And please, don't be ok with ignorance like some of your buddies, because that would be negligent. I'm sure atheists don't want to be known as deadbeats.
With no god? There is no god to begin with. You cannot even explain god, can you? I wouldn't say I exist for no reason. But again, you are the one here claiming an imaginary being. The burden of proof falls on you to prove this being of yours as infallible.
I'll put it to you this way. Personally, if I am shown infallible evidence that there is a god, I will readily accept. Then again, I wouldn't have a choice because he would be real so it would be foolish to accept otherwise. However, as of now, he only exists in the bible which as I said above, is itself fallible. You don't even know who wrote the bible except to say "hundreds of people who were inspired, wrote it".
As you can see, I have nothing to lose and all to gain.
Now I ask you, for the sake of this debate, if you one day learn that god truly doesn't exist, since you say you live your life for god, what will you do then?
The dark side awaits YOU...AngryAtheism
"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
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"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins