(September 8, 2009 at 12:23 am)ecolox Wrote:(September 7, 2009 at 2:24 am)Minimalist Wrote: What is there to live for, lad? What about life itself? Family, you know? We get one crack at this. I, for one, don't intend to waste it on my knees to some superstitious shit.
Yes. Saying life is worth living for life's sake is rather circular. Your next response of 'family' isn't good enough either - according to Jesus or me - what about all the strangers or enemies?
What do you intend to waste your life on? Because, according to you, the best it can be is a waste.
Minimalist Wrote:And I certainly do not share your apparent desire to spend eternity with your lips attached to jesus' ass.
Perhaps your colon will suffice for your lips? Then, obviously, I might ask you to take your head out of your own ass...whatever good that might do.
(September 7, 2009 at 4:15 am)theVOID Wrote:(September 7, 2009 at 12:47 am)ecolox Wrote: What does an atheist hold in high esteem or worship?
Well we certainly don't live our life waiting for death or expecting judgement from the intergalactic dictator, we don't live our lives thinking that this is only the trial period or thinking that the best part of existence (heaven) isn't even part of this life.
That wasn't the question, but I applaud you for highlighting the obvious.
theVOID Wrote:We don't spend our lives on our knees in prayer, or accepting ancient ideals passed down hundreds of generations, we don't spend our lives foolishly thinking that an ancient book had some kind of insight or waiting for rapture... I'd like to think we atheists as a whole (though i claim not to speak for anyone) like to look at life as an adventure; something to be lived and experienced....
Ok, so you finally got around to saying something that you would do. I have a question in response, naturally, which is: what does this, effectively, so called 'the adventure of life' consist of?
Explore life and the universe and arts and culture, music, literature, science, maths, philosophy but more importantly to enjoy yourself, do things that interest you, there is always a possibility of living a great life with your friends and family and bartender and kids and your partner... there are more things in this life to do than there is time to do it, so you have to enjoy our very existence because you're never getting another one.
I see no need to believe in an afterlife; It, along with religion is a concept developed by primitive, uneducated, superstitious men thousands of years ago to try and explain the universe. compared to the knowledge we have today their assumptions are laughable, there is no evidence to distinguish their assumptions from any other possibly imagined afterlife or reincarnation, only faith in the ideas of primitive men. There is no reason to believe all the functions of the mind(there is no soul) are anything but naturalistic and until evidence arises for an alternative theory i refuse to accept something that offers us no advantage or explanatory power, there is no need for any of the empty religious concepts, they are the product of superstition mixed with human curiosity, and they were completely wrong - it's an idiotic belief and an even more idiotic way to evaluate the universe.
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