(July 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Drich Wrote:(July 20, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote: When I was a Christian I always wondered "If the church has such a glorious history, as it says it has, then why don't they teach it?"Because not one single expression of Christianity IS Indeed The Chruch. The Church Exists despite the religious efforts of man, not because of it.
This statement makes no sense because we are talking about the origins of Christianity. All expressions of Christianity had a common origin (generally speaking) we are talking about this common origin. We are talking about the beginnings not the end. The origins are not the final results. Why you bring up the final results, I don't know, perhaps it is to confuse people.
Now I'll be a bit more specific about Church history. What is usually taught in most modern protestant churches is that god divinely inspired a small group of people to write the Bible. Some magic is involved here because somehow these people manage to write down the very words of god (I won't mention the problems with this because that's an argument for another thread). Anyway, the belief was that it was perfect from the start. Then people began to fuck things up and nasty horrible heretics sprang up to lead people astray so clarification of what the Bible means to say was important. Over time more fuck ups and heretics happened so more clarification of what the pure holy blah, blah, word of god meant was necessary. During this time the Christians were persecuted horribly. I should point out that most churches actually skip the fuck ups and heretics but don't usually ignore the persecution part. Feelings of persecution and the possible threat of it happening again unify people so it's a good brainwashing tactic.
It is also taught that most churches were home churches , this is taught to encourage modern congregations to have things called home groups. Modern churches are quite large. Home groups are a way to make large churches feel less cavernous; more intimate. Really it's just about money. The more suckers...I mean people in your congregation, the bigger the money funnel is and the more money the pastor makes. Also, if the church get's really large the pastor can write books, get them published and make more money. He might also get big enough to get on tv. Then the bucks roll in.
Anyway, back to the bullshit history they teach in modern protestant churches. Sometime after Constantine the church morphs into the RCC. And the church goes into a thousand year slip into idolatry which the reformation finally saved us from praise Jebus god almighty (sorry, I couldn't avoid the sarcasm here). The Devil then tried a new tactic which was to divide god's people hence the huge numbers of denominations that sprung up during and after the reformation and to this present day. Then sometime at some starting point in the 20th century we finally started to get it right. We are going back to the original interpretation of the Bible, there will be a revival because of this, All the churches will unite and become just like our denomination (fill in the blank for who "our" denomination would be") Jesus is cuming soon blah blah blah.
Note that I don't believe the bullshit above. Note that I've seriously over simplified things. Note that none of this matters because it is all bullshit that will change as it suits Christianity in the future. More importantly also note that I'm aware that what they teach in churches and what really happened are two different things. Also note that I'm aware that the RCC tells a different story. I wrote what I wrote to explain what I meant when, in my original post, I said they don't teach much church history in church. They don't teach much about the origins of Christianity because every denomination, and the RCC, have something to hide.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise