RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 25, 2012 at 9:59 am
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2012 at 10:05 am by The Grand Nudger.)
1. All life will end in peace and prosperity and the end result is for each life to be without suffering.
-Will it now, and here I thought that all life would end in death, with a pretty healthy mix of peaceful and horrible.
2. Honour and Value is a worthy goal of suffering for a period, given that life will end in peace and without suffering.
-Sounds life a value judgement to me, which I don't personally agree with. Also, if suffering is the only tool by which you could learn these things see below, if it isn't..then we come full circle...
3. In order to create some suffering that would bring about honour and value, some suffering would not.
-I'm guessing you're on-board with suffering being the only teaching tool then..sounds like an excuse for an inept tutor/creator imho.
4. There is wisdom in enriching the sentient honour and value experience with different type of suffering in the system.
-Oh yeah? Again, if suffering were the only way of doing this it wouldn't be a display of wisdom, but ineptitude. We don't beat the ABC's into our own children now do we?
5. Honour and Value gained through the system of struggle and suffering, cannot be given without such a system.
-Why?
6. Therefore over all system of suffering could have been created to enrich sentient life experience.
-Don't get me wrong, for the purpose of argument it -could have been- but that doesn't really jive with what you're hoping to establish in the next line and is again a massive display of ineptitude from a being that I would expect much more out of, personally.
7. A benevolent Creator therefore seems compatible with the world we live in.
-Not even close. This isn't even an issue if we're willing to say -The creator did his best- lulz. Maybe we're very friendly towards this creator, and we propose that it at least got close. Horseshoes and hand grenades. Now, lets throw the hail mary -could we do better? Seems so, and if your creator were benevolent, don't you think it might be willing to give it's creations an audience, lend that godly might? Or are there things which, once done, cannot be undone, even by this creator?
-Will it now, and here I thought that all life would end in death, with a pretty healthy mix of peaceful and horrible.
2. Honour and Value is a worthy goal of suffering for a period, given that life will end in peace and without suffering.
-Sounds life a value judgement to me, which I don't personally agree with. Also, if suffering is the only tool by which you could learn these things see below, if it isn't..then we come full circle...
3. In order to create some suffering that would bring about honour and value, some suffering would not.
-I'm guessing you're on-board with suffering being the only teaching tool then..sounds like an excuse for an inept tutor/creator imho.
4. There is wisdom in enriching the sentient honour and value experience with different type of suffering in the system.
-Oh yeah? Again, if suffering were the only way of doing this it wouldn't be a display of wisdom, but ineptitude. We don't beat the ABC's into our own children now do we?
5. Honour and Value gained through the system of struggle and suffering, cannot be given without such a system.
-Why?
6. Therefore over all system of suffering could have been created to enrich sentient life experience.
-Don't get me wrong, for the purpose of argument it -could have been- but that doesn't really jive with what you're hoping to establish in the next line and is again a massive display of ineptitude from a being that I would expect much more out of, personally.
7. A benevolent Creator therefore seems compatible with the world we live in.
-Not even close. This isn't even an issue if we're willing to say -The creator did his best- lulz. Maybe we're very friendly towards this creator, and we propose that it at least got close. Horseshoes and hand grenades. Now, lets throw the hail mary -could we do better? Seems so, and if your creator were benevolent, don't you think it might be willing to give it's creations an audience, lend that godly might? Or are there things which, once done, cannot be undone, even by this creator?
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