Boris on Mitt Romney

[Autumnlicious]

Well I'm not one to cut and run but you've completely ignored my ill stated point.

Yeah, the point where you attempted to make the claim that somehow the current government deserved loyalty.

I ignored it intentionally, as, frankly, I don't give a damn about the current crop of fools. I give a damn about the people who populate this current country and share the American values I've grown and accepted.

Patriotism then is what we are talking about. Pride in birth place, right or wrong apparently in your case. I see plenty to criticize in this country and I won't let a flag waving fundamentalist get in my way.

I am not "flag waving fundamentalist".

I am someone who takes talk of selling Americans down the river with distaste and disdain.

I enjoy the culture I live in and will fight to preserve it against severe damage.

The nation you are born into is as big an accident as the religion you are brought up in. If you reject the latter but hang on to the former you are at least inconsistent.

Good thing I base my factional loyalties on the culture I've grown, developed and accomplished in.

Now I am at least as committed to the political process as you are but apparently for different reasons. You seem to bleed red, white and blue while I feel like a sane German citizen must have felt under Hitler. There is lots that is fucked about our country's relationship to the rest of the world to say nothing of how it handles its internal affairs. There is a lot to be ashamed of and I am. I'm committed to the political process because I think we owe it to the world to become a better international citizen and to reign in those who think pre-emptive military action is a valid defensive posture.

That's right. Call "Nazi" on someone who cares more about the culture and the people.


You're a real class act.

But I will never be patriotic and will continue to look down on those who are. Patriotism is essentially provincialism on a larger scale and no more laudable. If you disagree, you can start by telling me how the situation is different than not being loyal to the religion in which you're raised.

And I'll proudly wax the asshole who sells out what I value heavily. I will devote every ounce of my being if necessary.

I do not see the military favorably. Enter a foreign invader, and that changes.

What do you value in this country?

What part of good fortune have you received from being part of this community that you will fight to preserve?

I see it the same way.

But I don't like your attitude. If you can't see the validity of my point of view you and your sort should leave. That is what you're saying to me so let me invite you to do the same. We have plenty of stupid in this country.
Shape up or ship out.

Sure thing, and I don't like your traitorous attitude.

Good thing America accepts all, right?

Even assholes who think that aiding a foreign power because a political group they don't gained control of the government.

You'd bring a foreign power to a civil war.

To hell with that.