(August 9, 2012 at 12:09 am)padraic Wrote:Quote:If Harry Potter were believed by a majority of a population as being a real super hero-----
and if my aunt had testicles she would be my uncle.
Nor may one claim 'atheists hate god' as a principle. An atheist is a person who does not believe in god(s). Nothing else is implied or may be inferred.
Where did I say that? Even as atheists we are still individuals.
I do hate god claims and religion AS CONCEPTS, not as a human rights issue. Just in the sense that there has never been any evidence for any god claimed, and that religion is divisive, yet despite that people still go around claiming it and still have wars over it.
Just like you would rightfully hate it if someone truly believed the earth was flat and went around claiming it, or if you had a friend who truly believed that Thor made lightening. Do not tell me wouldn't hate the claim, that is not the same as hating everything about that person.
No one is claiming we should hate all people who believe. But just like you may love your own brother, it would bother you if they farted at the thanksgiving table.
What I hate isn't any reality they think is real. But would be like if a Star Wars and Star Trec fan insisted those were real realities and based their politics on it and fought and killed over it.
That does NOT nor will it ever mean I hate all religious people, nor does it mean I can hate something that does not exist. Nor does it mean I cannot live with or even love people who claim things that drive me nuts. If that were the case my Catholic mother would had disowned me a long time ago for other reasons, even when I did believe.
I have no compunction saying I hate god claims. They make no sense and there has never been in our history as a species any credible evidence for any one of them. That does not, nor will it ever mean that I am claiming we should hate all religious people.
The Christian says "Love the sinner not the sin"
I say, "Love the claimant not the claim". Unless what comes out of your mouth ON ANY ISSUE, not just religion, but on any issue, unless you can go outside your own personal predilections, traditions, clubs, desires, or religion, and demonstrate that CLAIM as being credible, I have no reason to have to like the claim, even if I may like the person making a claim I might hate, even if I agree with their right to make that claim.
Claims do not deserve blind value even if we should value the right to make any claim you want.
