RE: The New Jesus Timeline
August 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm by genkaus.)
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: This is where the "IF" comes in concerning the rights of others. "IF" justifies your support of a woman killing her baby which is a part of her. Ok got it.
What "if"?
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: This is how you answered me concerning rights being imprtant.
Rights are the social recognition of your identity as a human being.
It is the sanction given as a result of acceptance of your capacity for autonomy and rationality.
And since the fetus - or if your prefer the unborn baby - is not autonomous, has no capacity for rationality, we are not required to grant it the same recognition and therefore it has not rights.
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Who are you trying to force to recognize others socially by rights?
The society. And no force is necessary. That recognition is usually the basis of the society.
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Where do you get this?
Usually in the founding and governing principles of the society.
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Who is obligated to accept anyone's autonomy and rationality in a world that was formed by random mutations with no intelligence behind the forming of life?
Anyone who wishes to assert his own.
(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Your foundation for all this is everything created itself. Rational? No. scientifically impossible.
No. As I explained earlier, my foundation for this is that human are autonomous and rational beings and granting them recognition as such (by giving them their rights) would be the rational thing to do.
(August 21, 2012 at 6:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(August 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Who is obligated to accept anyone's autonomy and rationality in a world that was formed by random mutations with no intelligence behind the forming of life?
Anyone who wishes to have their own autonomy and rationality recognized.....?
I'm sure Genk will have something more eloquent to say here...but I couldn't help but point out the obvious.
Nope. That's about it.
