RE: "How do you explain the empty tomb?"
September 6, 2012 at 2:08 am
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2012 at 2:12 am by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(September 6, 2012 at 1:41 am)Lion IRC Wrote:(September 6, 2012 at 12:21 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: The empty tomb isn't evidence. Show me said empty tomb. Prove that it housed the dead body of Jesus. Prove that Jesus was actually dead in it (it's not even clear that Jesus really died in the synoptic gospels).
LOL
No, see now youre engaging in discussion about the specific details of the matter.
Thats the antithesis of your own Op which suggests theres NOTHING to discuss.
Do you think it reasonable that a prominent religious Messiah figure would be buried in a tomb or not?
Do you think that the Roman/Jewish authorities would have ALSO wanted to oversee burial in a secure tomb as a means of publically demonstrating that a person was in fact dead and buried - THE END rather than letting the body disappear immediately after Crucifixion?
I highly doubt Jesus was ever crucified and buried. I think that's all likely made up being a combination of dozens of ancient stories.
But even supposing Jesus was buried in tomb and then his tomb was later found empty, I don't need to resort miracle. Given all the poor, contradictory, and incomplete evidence we have surrounding the resurrection just about any naturalistic explanation is better no matter how unlikely compared to a supernatural explanation. Large groups of people throughout history have believed crazy irrational things. The people who testified against, tried and executed women in Salem really thought they were witches. Many people believed Roswell involved real UFOs and aliens. Many people think Elvis is still alive despite still being in his tomb. A number of people believe Michael Jackson is still alive. Thousands of people in India believe they saw a stone idol cry milk. Many cults continued to persist even after their founder died and/or their predictions became false. In some cases they grew stronger after they "failed." Mankind has always been prone to believing crazy things. I have no more reason to seriously consider whether Jesus was raised than I do for believing aliens crashed in 1947, or Elvis faked his death, or that a man can bend spoons with his mind.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).