(September 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm)cratehorus Wrote:(September 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It's not about disliking Jews, friend. I actually praise the Jews for their particular brand of nationalism. It's inspiring, and a good example what nationalistically motivated people can archive.
I extensively use the example of Israel against those who say that a unified Turkic state cannot be archived.
But I'm just wondering why America has chosen to protect Jewish nationalism whereas the Jews are more than capable of doing so.
Because in the 1940's Germany allied with Italy, Austria, Japan, Turkey , and many more started Word War Two which led to the extermination of 12 million people, including 6 million JEWS. So we gave them Isreal back, what would you like us to do? give them Germany?
I guess you have your history wrong, sir, Germany did not ally itself with Austria, it annexed Austria, and Turkey was certainly not allied with Germany, nor the Allies and their Soviet friends, until we were positive that we would be joining on the winning side. Of course, during these times, many mistakes were made, one was to allow the red menace to spread it's deceitful agenda within our borders.
As for Israel, I think this was not so much of a reparation from your part, as Germany was forced to pay the lot of it, while you gained a reliable ally, one who had no other agenda besides it's own, one who was alien to the area, and one who was fighting for a certain cause.
Now you have your ally, and you want it to be there, so you support it.
But why support the ideology itself? When you supported the Afghan mujahaddin in the Soviet invasion, you didn't put "La ilahe illallah Muhammeden resulullah" in your political platforms, did you now?
Quote:Close indentification with Israel in the current situation would be an major diseaster for America's ability to protect its hegemonic position in the world against competing powers such as China and Russia. It would be instrumental in America's inability to secure a ring of containment around China and Russia in western and central Asia.Well, the US has been in desperate search for more allies in the mid-east. It surely lost Turkey, at least whatever support as a people we had for the US as a NATO ally, is now gone. You need another allied state, but this one ought to be muslim. And I think the greater middle eastern project is to supply you with those...Just divide the middle east into more smaller fractions, and you'll have an easier hand in keepin up that hegemony. But this has all been talked over before.
Maps of this are circulating around...
Quote:Whenever I hear 'Zionism', 'Zionists', and 'Nationalism' to describe Israel, they're used in derogatory terms. That's especially true when Muslim countries use those terms when speaking of Israel. Though not the established state religion, Islam is the dominant religion of Turkey. What do you mean, Jewish Nationalism and Jewish Ideology?Well, obviously it's going to be used under a negative context, for those who are directly affected by the foundation of Israel, I can't say I blame them for it. If I were an arab, I surely would settle for nothing less than the total destruction of the Israeli state.
Islam is the dominant religion in Turkey, true. And lately, there has been a lot of support for the Palestinian Arabs in Turkey. I'm not sure that I understand how we support Palestine, while Palestine has trained communist terrorists throughout these years we had to cope with them? Now, they ask us for help. I can do nothing but to be baffled at this shamelessness. Certainly I do not really have much sympathy for the Israelis either. They came there willingly, knowing that they would be at odds with the arabs living there. Now they fight eachother over a piece of desert.
But the arabs are foolish, and divided. The Jews and their western allies are smart and united. If the arabs were to mount a united offense, neither the Jews, nor their western allies could do anything to prolong the life of the Israeli state.
And what I mean by "Jewish nationalism" and "Jewish ideology", I mean the ideology that lead to the foundation of Israel. Zionism. That's what it is, it is a Jewish ideology, based around nationalism.
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