RE: Democratic Party drops "God" in its platform
September 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm by Jackalope.)
(September 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I guess you have your history wrong, sir, Germany did not ally itself with Austria, it annexed Austria, and Turkey was certainly not allied with Germany, nor the Allies and their Soviet friends, until we were positive that we would be joining on the winning side.
You are correct, kılıç. Turkey essential was a non-participant in WW2, joining the Allies (note, not Axis) shortly before the war ended. Turkey did sign a trade agreement with Germany in 1941 and trade did occur (including war materiel), but Turkey certainly was not involved in starting the war and was neutral for most of the duration (until as you say, it was clear who the winning side would be).
I would not say that Turkey was necessarily sympathetic to Germany, but rather acting in her own national interest. Given Turkey's strategic value both in terms of geography and as a source of natural resources (e.g. chromite ore), it is apparent that Turkey preferred to be a neutral trading partner rather than face an inevitable invasion and become a battlefield in the conflict between Germany and the Soviets.
Nor was Austria an Axis power - Austria ceased to exist as an independent nation when Germany annexed Austria in 1938. For the duration of the war, it was under the political control of Berlin.
The Ottoman Empire was allied with the Central Powers and Germany in WW1, perhaps that's where cratehorus is confused.
(September 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: And what I mean by "Jewish nationalism" and "Jewish ideology", I mean the ideology that lead to the foundation of Israel. Zionism. That's what it is, it is a Jewish ideology, based around nationalism.
I think you have it backwards here. I think it's the other way around - that their nationalism is a product of their cultural and religious identity and heritage, with a health dose of fear of a second holocaust. I recognize that may be an oversimplified view and I don't hold to it strongly.