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Ah, that truly would be heartless... i agree with you upon that point.

Human interference CAUSED the fetus in the first place. Otherwise: the eggs would have just fallen away without impregnation. It is good that you feel bad about the loss of life... but it is only a good thing if you are able to see the same of other creatures. I would not go so far as to weep or pray for those I eat... but I am at least sobered by the lives I have devoured so that I can continue to live. To not be... and hold only value upon human life: that is hypocrisy,

Another little baby child is born... in the ghetto. Many of the people at the poverty level are miserable, and are better off: not at poverty level! Imagine the cost of a child upon those people fighting for their very survival each day? It costs a fair amount of money just to keep a child alive... let alone raise it properly. Where are you getting that money from if you are living at poverty level, working several minimum wage jobs? Pay for the extra food, clothing, possibly bedding, utility costs, etc, and hopefully entertainment of that child: and you are left with less money by the end of the day... sometimes you are left in debt by the end of the month because of renting decent shelter you cannot pay for.

I pity anyone who has to live such a life... child or otherwise. I would not kill them... but I do think many of them would suffer less if they were dead. In a choice between a frenzied, unwinnable fight for survival... and a peaceful oblivion: I would choose my oblivion. But that level of existence should not even exist in the first place... except among those who refuse to work entirely.

The decision to have a child at that level of existence... that is stupid.

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Not the point. The point is after the child is conceived you are killing what would potentially be a baby. Forgive me for not being entirely comfortable with that. Also just as an FYI, I'm pescatarian, I don't eat meat, only fish. The discussion of what we eat, whether it's immoral or not, is a different conversation entirely.

I'm happy without money. It's fucking nice to have but I don't need much, only the essentials. I'm not a materialistic person. And a computer or two is a nice bonus of course

Indeed, as someone who has been at the poverty level, lived with parents in debt (often because my own health problems and me not having insurance) and living with the threat of foreclosure, I can say I'm still very happy to be alive. You can't judge someone's life just because they're poor. Many people have good lives and have never had much at all. So as I said before, it's a broad statement to make that does not do justice to the complexity of social positions.

My mother could have made a decision based on money to abort my 11 year old sister. We were in a very bad financial situation when my mother accidentally got pregnant. But my mother loved the child as soon as she knew she was pregnant and it wasn't a question in her mind that she would have her. A lot of people asked her about abortion since she was 42 at the time and our family situation wasn't the best. But she had Liz and I couldn't imagine life without her. We may not still have the best financial situation, but we still have our house, and we have Liz. If the decision was so simple as figuring how much money we have, Liz might not be here.

At the same time my older sister has had two abortions because she got pregnant at a really bad time in her life, and her reasons for abortion were good and I supported her. I couldn't imagine her with children, she wouldn't be as successful as she is now if she had children. Nevertheless, the decision is still painful to her and it makes me sad to think of the nieces or nephews that I'll never know because they were never born.

The simple fact is that abortion is a deeply personal decision, which is the only reason I am pro-choice. There is no easy answer for what is the right thing to do in any given situation, and if you think you have the answer, then you don't understand how complex and heartbreaking the experience is for people who go through it.

The best thing for people is to focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Fish ARE meat! >_< Why is a baby worth so much to you?

Then you do not fall into "The majority people living at poverty level" category. The people *I* consider as living in poverty are those who cannot, or can hardly, afford proper meals and shelter...

Life almost always wants to live and keep living... but that is 'not the point'. If you cannot get out of the situation you were in Eilon... then the odds are highly in favor of you perishing. You say you needed health care... and yet you probably didn't get it until after you got out of poverty? That is a problem... a problem that should not ever have to occur.

When in poverty, a child is a very expensive thing to care for. If your parents had not chosen to have you and your other siblings when they did: they probably could have had a secure home for you to live in. And then they could have you without fearing survival every day. They could have brought up their children in a MUCH better situation... and yet they chose selfishly to have you when they did.

If your mother had not had Liz, then the resources allocated for her could have been used to better home life for the lot of you. Your sister's decision was intelligent and her success as a result is why one should avoid having children young.

It is entirely the mother's choice... but she should consider every single option before she has or aborts the child. She should especially consider her economical status in this matter, and realize that having children is simply bad for one's budget flexibility, and that children cost a great deal of money to raise.

I agree with your last statement entirely