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The elderly have the value of how long they have lived, and the knowledge they can pass on to the next generations. What would be logical in killing them? They perform an important role... and they are still members of the society. I think the resources spent on them are far less than what they are worth... although it is true that everything, even our respected elders, have a price.

I am in no dangerous grounds... what is logical is by definition 'right'. Any correctness not based on logic, is by definition: not right. This applies to religion, morals, value, and in fact everything. Tell me one thing that is right, and is not based on logic.

I have not refuted that it is an emotional decision... but I have stated that a decision based on such is illogical. There is logical application of emotions... but emotions are in themselves not logical. Logic must always trump emotion, lest unfair things be thought 'right'. As a side note, that is where the jury especially fails... it is no impartial logical judge... but an emotional one.

I insist that they are, for they have put their child's (and their) life on the line to have it... when they could wait a few years, and have a child when it is much more likely to survive. I recognize that this is sometimes not possible (I.E. unfair government types)... but it should always be an available option for everyone... to have a better life because of one's hard work. It could be a better life for them... but it would be far better than this 'better life' if they had the patience (and the option of course).

I have put a human face on everything I eat... I should know the experience. And my experience has shown me how brutal life and death are... and how life must be preserved except when it must necessarily die, so that more life can be preserved. This is a very emotional angle, supported 100% by the logic that 1 does not equal 2. That is the only way you can truly get to the heart of any issue: by logic. If you derive your heart of the issue from anything else: you are not at the true heart of the issue... and you are almost certainly wrong in some way. In my stance on abortion... I am embracing the emotional and personal factor... but I am realistically doing so with logic.

EvF didn't mention that he didn't get health care. If only we could all live without unnecessary suffering of, say: not getting health care... or of starving half the week. And we could live that way... it would be hard to make us do it at first... but it could (and one day will) be done.

It is exactly the same. Tell me one thing: what is special about your life... that doesn't also apply to most other advanced animal specie on the planet? We all have similar roots, and we are made of similar matter, all of us have the same attributes, all of us can make choices, and they have the same exact right to life as we do. It comes from understanding this... that one truly learns the value of life... and that life truly is valuable. You, however... have the burden of proof in telling us how human life is any more special.. any more valuable...

You can choose to get into this or not... though as with abortion: your bias seems strong in this matter.

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It's Oreo-heaven, practically

Keep the chocolaty outsides! I just want the middle!