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I sometimes doubt my countries sanity.
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RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity.
(September 16, 2009 at 11:10 pm)Dotard Wrote: So Evie is a censorist now? Censor what he doesn't like?

And morality is subjective just as immorality is. You can't demand censorship because YOU evie view something as immoral.

My mistake, Like Adrian I was thinking more of the Burka.

I do indeed think all religions, (and every other belief system for that matter) should have a chance to defend themselves.
Religion so far has no support for its claims - it's delusional claims - and they also quite often do a lot of harm (at least potentially). I think religion has got a lot to pay for - in a non-violent way of course. I fully support the 'conversational intolerance' that Sam Harris advocates. I think there should be no censorship of this scarf, but I do still advocate (conversational) intolerance of the religion overall, and any religion due to it's delusional beliefs that in any other case - if it weren't regarded 'holy' to so many - wouldn't be 'respected'.

leo-rcc Wrote:You were talking about are shirts being secular (they are not, there is nothing about a political system in the shirts)
I thought secular=separate from religion? That's what Wikipedia says. And atheism is absence of religion. It is not a belief system and it isn't advertising deluded beliefs therefore, that's what I meant by false advertising.

Quote:but yet you would agree with a tax a government would impose on a specific religion.

And you don't think that is hypocritical in the slightest?
I disagree that that would be hypocritical. Because advertising a position of nonbelief, and advertising deluded and potentially dangerous beliefs isn't exactly the same. I do think that advertising a non-belief stance on religion and advertising unsupported religious beliefs - that cause a lot of harm in the world - is not 100% equal.
I do think all religions should be given a chance to defend themselves, as with other belief systems. But when they fail to defend themselves, and they are so ridiculous, I think they should be ridiculed - just like with other belief systems that fail to substantiate themselves but that are non-religious. But to be very clear I am not against taxing the headscarf now though, because as I said, I was thinking more of the Burka before. My mistake.

Leo Wrote:Prove it, show me where it represents injustice on the women that wears a hijab.
I concede that point, I, Like Adrian, was thinking more of the Burka, or perhaps wrongly making the assumption that it was analogous to it and also forced on women.

EvF
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I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 16, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanaty. - by Darwinian - September 16, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 3:16 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 16, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 16, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 16, 2009 at 3:44 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 16, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Tiberius - September 16, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 17, 2009 at 2:18 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 4:34 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 16, 2009 at 11:10 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 16, 2009 at 11:13 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 11:27 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 16, 2009 at 11:35 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 16, 2009 at 11:40 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by padraic - September 16, 2009 at 11:39 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by padraic - September 16, 2009 at 11:41 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 16, 2009 at 11:44 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 16, 2009 at 11:47 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Tiberius - September 17, 2009 at 2:38 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 17, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Tiberius - September 17, 2009 at 3:22 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 17, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 17, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 17, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Giff - September 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by leo-rcc - September 17, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 5:58 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 7:06 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 7:01 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 8:04 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 17, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 8:23 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 8:22 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 8:25 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 17, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 1:06 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 3:55 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 1:11 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 1:50 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:47 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:33 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:12 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 2:23 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 2:47 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 2:56 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 18, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 18, 2009 at 9:41 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 18, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 3:15 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 18, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by dry land fish - September 18, 2009 at 8:49 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 9:43 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 18, 2009 at 9:47 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 9:57 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 1:37 am
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Rhizomorph13 - September 19, 2009 at 1:55 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 2:23 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 6:27 pm
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity. - by AtheistPhil - September 19, 2009 at 7:35 pm

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